Embarasssing ALPA Magazine Blunder

JoelT said:
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Exactly what I was getting at. Thanks for putting it across better. Just like you said, there is nothing strange or out of the ordinary in the guy's story that would cause the reporter to follow up. Usually, by the time a pilot is interviewed for Airline Pilot all of the vetting processes have already happened. If the guy was a well known liar that the EGL ProStands guys or Management hadn't taken care of this before hand is more troubling.
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C'mon...are you serious? Just because a DL F/O recommended him because he flew with him one day? There should have been fact checking all the way to the review committee...and they should have triple checked everything.

That this guy is a total unit is clear. But a National Committee, charged with something like the Code of Ethics not doing a through review? Inexcusable. The whole process is now a sham. That's where the rubber met the road. Their heads should roll. How do you repair this? Say Oops??

Hell the only thing he didn't add to his resume was that he paid Gulfstream, to fly as a regional F/O to build his time, save the company from having to pay a real F/O and become an expert on ALPA...but they already have one of those.
 
ALPA sucks. . .blah blah blah.

We get it.

I'm sure we can easily find a couple posers within the ranks of the IBT if we wanted to try hard enough.

Since this is inexcuseable to your standards 727to7400, how about you turn in your dues card and excuse yourself from being a member. . .oh wait.
 
727to7400 said:
C'mon...are you serious? Just because a DL F/O recommended him because he flew with him one day? There should have been fact checking all the way to the review committee...and they should have triple checked everything.

That this guy is a total unit is clear. But a National Committee, charged with something like the Code of Ethics not doing a through review? Inexcusable. The whole process is now a sham. That's where the rubber met the road. Their heads should roll. How do you repair this? Say Oops??

Hell the only thing he didn't add to his resume was that he paid Gulfstream, to fly as a regional F/O to build his time, save the company from having to pay a real F/O and become an expert on ALPA...but they already have one of those.
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I guess everyone can't get it. Some just point fingers where they want the blame to lie instead of actually understanding...
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
I guess everyone can't get it. Some just point fingers where they want the blame to lie instead of actually understanding...
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Looking at it from a third party perspective though, it's obvious this guy was wrong in so many ways. But ALPA should've done some homework besides just taking his word.....just a little background. I mean, they weren't profiling just some run-of-the-mill F/O, this guy was the selected Ethics Role Model. Did he burn them and their membership, as well as his collegues? Sure. But just even a cursory check should've revealed something, seeing as to how small the fighter community is for example, someone should've been able to vouch something for him, or not.

That's understanding. Not pointing fingers. This guy may have thrown egg in the faces of the union membership, but the union cooked up the eggs and gave it to him to throw.

My only question is why was he dumb enough to go through with this? It's not like there aren't a TON of loose ends to have to keep tied....why would you want any publicity? You'd have to know the chance for success is extremely low.
 
727to7400 said:
Hell the only thing he didn't add to his resume was that he paid Gulfstream, to fly as a regional F/O to build his time, save the company from having to pay a real F/O and become an expert on ALPA...but they already have one of those.
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Come on.

Let's be professional. We have enough stuff we need to focus on our house.

Mainly that is achieving a contract that reflects the state of our company. Many of us are working on our cultural issues, reaching hands across to bridge the wide cultural divide. We're in the end-game of that process now, so it's time to focus our energy towards that.

So, let's set the same example of professionalism here as we do in our house.

Let's not address your issues in a manner like you did above. Trust me, I'm not a 100% fan of any union, but dogging on Todd does you no good. It only makes it seem that you have a personal agenda and not a philosophical one.
 
727to7400 said:
C'mon...are you serious? Just because a DL F/O recommended him because he flew with him one day? There should have been fact checking all the way to the review committee...and they should have triple checked everything.

That this guy is a total unit is clear. But a National Committee, charged with something like the Code of Ethics not doing a through review? Inexcusable. The whole process is now a sham. That's where the rubber met the road. Their heads should roll. How do you repair this? Say Oops??

Hell the only thing he didn't add to his resume was that he paid Gulfstream, to fly as a regional F/O to build his time, save the company from having to pay a real F/O and become an expert on ALPA...but they already have one of those.
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100% serious.
 
Geez, all you mods are starting to get to me, I keep writing stuff to respond to the requisit idiots here, and then I think better of it and never submit the post....is this therapy or what?:D
 
Polar742 said:
Come on.

Let's be professional. We have enough stuff we need to focus on our house.

Mainly that is achieving a contract that reflects the state of our company. Many of us are working on our cultural issues, reaching hands across to bridge the wide cultural divide. We're in the end-game of that process now, so it's time to focus our energy towards that.

So, let's set the same example of professionalism here as we do in our house.

Let's not address your issues in a manner like you did above. Trust me, I'm not a 100% fan of any union, but dogging on Todd does you no good. It only makes it seem that you have a personal agenda and not a philosophical one.
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I agree. This is not an ALPA vs. IBT matter, despite what some are trying to turn it into. It's about fact checking and making damn sure that the story checks. My original point way back was that the rush to nail Jan Steenblik to the cross was misguided...the vetting should have been done LONG before they told him what to write.

My guess is that had Jan been in on the process earlier, his BS detector would have gone off in the first five minutes. By the time it all got to him, the train was running down the tracks.
 
If someone is warmly referred, is already an airline pilot (thought being that the airline would have verified things), and understanding that the things he was saying are both easily verifiable - and if found out would cost him his job - it is a reasonable belief that what the guy said was true. I do believe that claiming military service where none exist is a crime, and lying in a publication for broad dissemination is certainly "proof" of poor moral rectitude (so it becomes a certificate issue as well as a potential medical issue). There is no reason someone writing for the magazine would think this is a snow job because what sane person would throw their entire career away to be in a magazine?
 
FlyChicaga said:
Less union BS... More photoshopped pictures. Kthxbai. :hiya:
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As requested....
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and another....
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I don't have a link now because I am on my cell phone, but the New York Post already has an article on Tim Martins being suspended from flying.
 
That's one of the most poorly written articles ive ever seen. Starting with the Colgan "jet", referring to pay as "peanuts", and saying that regionals "make" their pilots commute thousands of miles. This woman is beyond clueless. I know that the media doesn't know much about aviation, but that is ridiculous.
 
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