Annnnd it's already started...

But yes.. I have discussed this with my wife and daughters and all got it right. Neutral. Brake to a stop. Shut the engine off. Not rocket surgery.

Calcapt can stop a runaway golf cart on a dime. His golfing...... that should be stopped too........


There is an DC investigation into Toyota and how to make them pay for not making safe cars (in the first place) and having the odacity of sending them to America ........ I stood there mystified when I saw that ......

Madness.
 
She says she did all that.

...and no doubt she believes she did that. But explain HOW a vehicle can accelerate in NEUTRAL. If that can be proved, Toyota may have inadvertently discovered a new technology which should be incredibly fuel efficient. OR there are other problems which the wizards on the Congressional committee are overlooking.

Wait.. it is a congressional committee. Never mind. Sort of like the bright lights at the NTSB with this recommendation.

[FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]NTSB asks to monitor pilots' talk in cockpits The National Transportation Safety Board wants to have routine access to conversations recorded on cockpit voice recorders like this one.
By Alan Levin, USA TODAY
Government investigators are making an unprecedented push to use "black box" voice recordings to routinely monitor pilots' conversations and make sure cockpit crews are focusing on their jobs.
The move represents the first time that workplace monitoring could extend into the nation's cockpits and has drawn intense fire from pilots' unions who say that the plan is intrusive. The black box recorders have until now only been used in accident investigation.
The recommendation by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) comes amid a string of serious distractions during flight, including the fatal crash near Buffalo after two pilots chit-chatted in the cockpit and two Northwest Airlines pilots who flew 100 miles past their destination because they were using their personal laptops.
"It is essential to understand what is going on in the cockpit if we are to achieve further reductions" in accident rates, NTSB Chairwoman Debbie Hersman said in a written statement to USA TODAY.
The NTSB has no regulatory power but it has recommended the black box idea to the Federal Aviation Administration. The recommendation calls for airlines and unions to monitor the recordings as a way to watchdog the workplace.
Investigators say the effort is part of a broader trend to reduce misbehavior and inattention by transportation workers in the age of instant messaging and cellphones. But some worry that the proposal could undermine other safety efforts by sowing distrust among pilots.
"It's an intrusion on privacy," said Mike Michaelis, chairman of safety at the Allied Pilots Association, the American Airlines union. "It's the wrong way to go safety-wise."
The agency said that the recommendation isn't intended to violate privacy. It suggested that the recordings be scrutinized for safety trends. The reviews should be done anonymously and could not be used to punish individual pilots, the agency said.
"This is not a case of Big Brother spying on pilots," NTSB board member Robert Sumwalt said.
NTSB board members said their recommendation was prompted by the Feb. 12, 2009, crash near Buffalo that killed 50 people. The pilots' chit-chatting was a violation of federal regulations and came before they mishandled a warning and lost control.
Regional airlines endorsed the concept of using the cockpit voice recorder as an auditing tool after the Buffalo crash. Support has also come from powerful members of Congress.
"This is the next frontier of safety that we must not put off," Rep. James Oberstar, D-Minn., the chairman of the Transportation Committee, said at a recent hearing.
Pilots have been wary of the crash-hardened recorders since they were introduced in 1967. Currently, accident investigators are the only ones who listen to the recordings. The NTSB releases a transcript of the recording but never makes the recording itself public.
Capt. John Prater, president of the Air Line Pilots Association union, said reviewing the recorders could make pilots uneasy about speaking up about safety issues in the cockpit.
Bill Voss, president of the Flight Safety Foundation, said he would prefer to see other safety initiatives before cockpit recordings are monitored.
The recorders capture conversations and background noises in the cockpit. As of April 7, 2012, they must record the last two hours of a flight; previously, the devices only recorded 30 minutes.
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Who is going to listen to the tens of thousands of hours of tape to extract all this good info? And how is it going to be used to find events not being discovered with FOQA?

Bolded quote 2. Oberstar continues to show he is a dim bulb and capable only of conducting phoney-baloney dog and pony shows like his ones last year.

Bolded quote 3. Voss continues to show why FSF is one of, if not THE premier monitor of safety. Non-partisan. Apolitical. And right ON. It was FSF that first pushed here in the states for FOQA.
 
Calcapt can stop a runaway golf cart on a dime. His golfing...... that should be stopped too........


There is an DC investigation into Toyota and how to make them pay for not making safe cars (in the first place) and having the odacity of sending them to America ........ I stood there mystified when I saw that ......

Madness.

I wish I had more faith in the intelligence and integrity of Congress and our elected officials but I don't. It is more and more theatre designed for feelings and not hard thought. This poor lady... choking up.. wanting to hear her husband one last time.

Safe cars? according to a few sites, in 2008 there were more than 43,000 deaths in cars. ALL Toyotas???

Cue Maxine Waters.. "We ought to socialize the industry!"
 
I wish I had more faith in the intelligence and integrity of Congress and our elected officials but I don't. It is more and more theatre designed for feelings and not hard thought. This poor lady... choking up.. wanting to hear her husband one last time.

Safe cars? according to a few sites, in 2008 there were more than 43,000 deaths in cars. ALL Toyotas???

Cue Maxine Waters.. "We ought to socialize the industry!"


here comes the "CHANGE" in the auto industry we need....:sarcasm:
 
OK that's simply priceless...... Hmmm I could either pop the car in neutral and brake to a stop, or panic, start screaming, and call my husband. Poor guy.....

Most people react to a bad situation by panicking, which only makes the situation worse.

People like this would have been eaten by saber tooth tigers or squashed by woolly mammoths in the past. But we have removed natural selection from the human race, so these people survive.
 
...and no doubt she believes she did that. But explain HOW a vehicle can accelerate in NEUTRAL. If that can be proved, Toyota may have inadvertently discovered a new technology which should be incredibly fuel efficient. OR there are other problems which the wizards on the Congressional committee are overlooking.

In our Prius, we get to neutral by pushing a button - that goes to the computer - that most likely is freaking out because of a random pulse of EMI. I.E., can't get to neutral.

Wanna make things worse? You can't turn the car off either - because you never put the key in it.
 
Is there a double standard here? I mean if the pilot was anyone else but Stack, would there have been a more adverse reaction to this event? :dunno:
 
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