Need your logbook?

Phantom017

Phantom017

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Ok folks here's a question for you all. I was in a FBO this weekend and heard a CFI and the FBO owner discussing whether a pilot needs to carry their logbook with them at all times when flying. The owner said no he just needs to log the flight and only needs his cert on him all the time. The CFI said yes he does need the logbook all the time because he has to prove currency in the event of a ramp check.

I know what my CFI told me and what I've seen on an actual ramp check, but I'm curious as to what you all think.

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Only student pilots need to carry their logbooks to show their endorsements. If the FAA wants to confirm currency or endorsements for pilots (not student) they can make an appointment with the pilot in question. If I was asked to show a logbook on a ramp check I'd kindly decline their request. I've been ramped a couple times and it was pilot cert, medical, government issued photo ID and AROW docs. Nothing more. It is simple as long as your stuff is strait.

Plus it's best to leave the logbook at home so it doesn't get burned in a post crash fire. :mad:
 
§ 61.51 Pilot logbooks.

(i) Presentation of required documents. (1) Persons must present their pilot certificate, medical certificate, logbook, or any other record required by this part for inspection upon a reasonable request by—
(i) The Administrator;
(ii) An authorized representative from the National Transportation Safety Board; or
(iii) Any Federal, State, or local law enforcement officer.

In short, no you do not need you logbook unless you are a student pilot under certain circumstances.
 
Codyjp said:
Only student pilots need to carry their logbooks to show their endorsements.
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It's not =only= student pilots. 61.51 talks about a couple of situations in which pilot need to carry logbooks - students on cross country solo flights, sport pilots, recreational pilots on certain flights and sport pilot instructors.

Otherwise no, logbooks do not need to be dragged around.

That CFI in the OP needs to get some training.
 
Its amazing that its so tough to get the CFI cert and yet so many CFI's are so ignorant to so many basic concepts.
 
Joe Gremlin said:
Its amazing that its so tough to get the CFI cert and yet so many CFI's are so ignorant to so many basic concepts.
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You read my mind...

I had a guy come to me last week for a finish up on his private. He said his instructor he flew with last was ready to send him for the checkride before they got into an argument.. This guy was missing his TSA endorsements, did not know how to total his logbook and had very little ground knowledge.

But he did have 60 hours with 52 hours dual.... hummm
 
It still boggles my mind that people are ok with ramp checks. Being detained at the whim of a inspector at random. No need to break any laws.
 
Could be worse. If you were a mariner, the Coast Guard could board your vessel and conduct a safety inspection just because they felt like like it.

And a large proportion of mariners don't mind either from my interaction with them.
 
Rudabega said:
It still boggles my mind that people are ok with ramp checks. Being detained at the whim of a inspector at random. No need to break any laws.
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Takes about 3 minutes. I'm really not busy enough to get to bothered.

What has anybody ever been detained by an FAA employee?
 
Rudabega said:
It still boggles my mind that people are ok with ramp checks. Being detained at the whim of a inspector at random. No need to break any laws.
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I've been pulled over and questioned because I matched a description of someone the police were looking for. I didn't break any laws and yet I was detained (for about 5 minutes). Didn't really bug me.

I've been pulled over and stopped at roadside check points. I wasn't breaking any laws but I was stopped and questioned about where I was coming from and whether or not I had anything to drink. And finally, when I drove tractor trailers, it was routine to be pulled over and inspected. Again with no laws broken and I wasn't really annoyed by it.

Maybe I'm part of the problem but none of those things bother me too much so I don't really have a problem with the idea of being ramp checked once in a while either. Of course I have yet to experience a ramp check. But based on what I've read from those who have, in most cases its a simple 5 minute affair. Meh, I got more important stuff to worry about than that.
 
The one time I was ramped it was over in less than five minutes. No skin off my nose. Although I sure wish they ramped the student pilot taking his wife and kids on trips that day.
 
esa17 said:
The one time I was ramped it was over in less than five minutes. No skin off my nose. Although I sure wish they ramped the student pilot taking his wife and kids on trips that day.
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Which is precisely why I am OK with ramp checks. I'm always on the up and up, but the other guy, probably not so much!
 
Phantom017 said:
Ok folks here's a question for you all. I was in a FBO this weekend and heard a CFI and the FBO owner discussing whether a pilot needs
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Are you sure it was, pilot and not a student pilot that they were talking about. If you heard correctly, that is shockingly bad. It is probably something somebody told him in training and he is just passing on what he heard.

Joe Gremlin said:
Its amazing that its so tough to get the CFI cert and yet so many CFI's are so ignorant to so many basic concepts.
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Imagine if it was easy. :eek:
 
I was flying gliders one day and the FAA showed up because someone said it looked like we were doing stunts over the highway (we were doing slip letdowns) and they asked the tow pilot for the ARROW docs and her logbook and cert. But it was over in 5 mins. They left after we explained how we let down from alt in the tow plane.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
It's not =only= student pilots. 61.51 talks about a couple of situations in which pilot need to carry logbooks - students on cross country solo flights, sport pilots, recreational pilots on certain flights and sport pilot instructors.

Otherwise no, logbooks do not need to be dragged around.
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That is a good reminder about the limitations of the sport pilot. We do tend to not think of other than the "standard" way of certificate progression that existed before sport pilot.
 
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