Royal Air Cargo Aircraft Down Outside of Chicago

Doug Taylor said:
I haven't checked Jetgirls.net yet, but apparently one of the deceased is husband of one of the forum members.
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Not quite- the husband is good friends with one of the members and her husband (unless the wife is on JG and hasn't posted in the thread yet)
 
Very sad :(

RIP
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I wonder if it was the same type of weather we had in NE Ohio the day after the incident. All day we had freezing mist. A Hawker pilot had a pilot report of "severe icing with ice on the turbine blades" going into KCAK. A CRJ 200 pilot also had a report of severe icing.
 
Maurus said:
I wonder if it was the same type of weather we had in NE Ohio the day after the incident. All day we had freezing mist. A Hawker pilot had a pilot report of "severe icing with ice on the turbine blades" going into KCAK. A CRJ 200 pilot also had a report of severe icing.
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It wasn't.
 
Maurus said:
I wonder if it was the same type of weather we had in NE Ohio the day after the incident. All day we had freezing mist. A Hawker pilot had a pilot report of "severe icing with ice on the turbine blades" going into KCAK. A CRJ 200 pilot also had a report of severe icing.
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How do you recognize ice on the turbine blades? The fan blades are at the front of the engine which are spinning so fast you cant see them.... the turbine blades are at the back of the engine...

Severe icing on the other hand is quite easy to recognize...
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
How do you recognize ice on the turbine blades? The fan blades are at the front of the engine which are spinning so fast you cant see them.... the turbine blades are at the back of the engine...

Severe icing on the other hand is quite easy to recognize...
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I was wondering that too. I'm guess IF ice was on the "turbine" blades the only way you would know would be from vibration.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
How do you recognize ice on the turbine blades? The fan blades are at the front of the engine which are spinning so fast you cant see them.... the turbine blades are at the back of the engine...

Severe icing on the other hand is quite easy to recognize...
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I put it in quotes because of that discrepancy. I thought it was weird as well that they said "turbine blades". I would imagine they found ice on the fan blades after the engines were shut off.
 
Guys, chill with the word games... Everyone knows what was meant by the question. If you want to debate the issues of it take it to another thread...


RIP...STEVE you will be missed, buddy...:(
 
PWK_Pilot said:
PWK is my home base and I fly out of there a lot- felt pretty bad all day today after hearing about it around 3 or so.
Drove by the desplaines river shortly after and the police had the road blocked off on Lake St between Milwaukee Av and River Road.
The accident happened just after turning from right base to final shortly after they have been given landing clearance on runway 34. Radar showed them flying 060 on short final for a bit[possible overshoot] between 500 and 600AGL before going down. I'm thinking they either overshot@stalled it during the turn to final or got more icing then they expected on the descent.[the ceiling was 023ovc]Maybe tailplane icing too? Who knows?
Quite possibly- the pilot's may have decided to aim for the river also instead of some houses nearby- the outcome could have been even worse!

RIP fellow pilots
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The skidding turn to final was my first reaction upon reading the NTSB report. Per the NTSB report, eyewitnesses claim that:

"During the right turn to final approach, the airplane was observed to enter a 90-degree bank right turn, roll inverted, and enter a nose down descent toward terrain."

I'm just a noob, but it sounds like all the things I've read on stall/spins in the skidding turn to final. Steepish turn to the right, low wing stalls, wing still produces lift push over the top. In any case, RIP fellow aviators.:(
 
Douglas said:
Just a friendly heads up that your idea on stalls is incorrect.

Next time you are up in the air, practice a turning stall; the high wing stalls first.
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Not the thread to do this, but in a skidding right hand turn the left high wing would accelerate and the right wing decelerate. This in addition to partial airflow disruption from the fuselage blocking airflow over the decelerated, low right wing. That would cause the low right wing to stall first and drop while the left wing happily continued to provide lift.
 
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