This is true. It was definitely tight. But its kind of like jets like the A-4, it's almost like you strap them on, rather then strap into them.
This is true. It was definitely tight. But its kind of like jets like the A-4, it's almost like you strap them on, rather then strap into them.
R
Roger, Roger
Guest
Some nice things about the A/FD:
-information for EVERY airport in the area (don't have that with Jeppview)
-accessible in flight (unlike Jeppview or Airnav)
-portable (in case you occasionally fly airplanes that don't have a GPS with a fancy database, or work for a cheap mofo who doesn't keep the database current)
-ATC frequencies and phone numbers that aren't on the VFR sectional
-has special procedural information in the back (high-density traffic areas and whatnot)
So I like it. But hey, as long as you have a way of completing the flight without getting violated or killed, I really don't care if you even know what the green book is.
-information for EVERY airport in the area (don't have that with Jeppview)
-accessible in flight (unlike Jeppview or Airnav)
-portable (in case you occasionally fly airplanes that don't have a GPS with a fancy database, or work for a cheap mofo who doesn't keep the database current)
-ATC frequencies and phone numbers that aren't on the VFR sectional
-has special procedural information in the back (high-density traffic areas and whatnot)
So I like it. But hey, as long as you have a way of completing the flight without getting violated or killed, I really don't care if you even know what the green book is.
CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
Old standards required only a 200' Runway Safety Area (RSA) past the end of the runway. In keeping up with ICAO standards, the FAA now requires a minimum of 1000'. What that means is that if there is an obstacle 500' off the end of a 5000' runway, your ASDA is reduced to 4,500'. Again, you can't find this information anywhere other than the A/FD.
http://www.airnav.com/airport/KAPF
Also, AirNav has more in depth airport remarks.
R
Roger, Roger
Guest
Do they? I always thought they were just reprints of the A/FD remarks, just like all the information on Airnav.
Uh...what? I have information for every airport in my coverage area...which recently has expanded.
Uh...what? That's the whole point of Jeppview is so I don't have to do manual paper revisions all the time. That's why we have it...for use in flight.
Same with the EFB.
It's on the lo-enroute charts (frequencies). Phone numbers? For a phone that doesn't work at 30,000'? You've got me there...I don't have those.
Jepp Binder 1
EXACTLY
-mini
TFaudree_ERAU
Mashin' dem buttons
I'd agree.
I guess I should have said "the A/FD is the only legal government publication in which declared distances can be found"
AirNav and similar sites just tap into that information.
If your airplane goes crunch off the end of a runway, I'd be prepared to say you used the A/FD and not some website to get your numbers.
R
Roger, Roger
Guest
Mini...please remember that I am speaking from the perspective of a VFR pilot flying a bugmasher. I cannot has EFB, and even at the previous place I worked we didn't get Jepp approach binders...we had to print the airports we were going to use off of Jeppview. Also, from the bugmasher viewpoint, your Jepp binder 1 doesn't cover VFR-only airports (unless it's a different Jepp subscription from what we had).
I didn't mean to imply that YOU had to use the A/FD...but for a lot of us it is the only option that covers these bases, and I think any private pilot who is NOT flying exclusively in glass should at least know what's in the A/FD and use it when and if appropriate.
Been there and done that, many times friendo. There are times when you're ready for it, and times when you have to improvise.
Yes I have seen one. It's just one of those things that may come handy at some point, or may not. It depends.
Cool. If that works for you, use it.
Really? Never heard the term
I guess you haven't been reading anything I've been writing.....am referring to the times when the resources don't work or may not be available.....times when things just aren't dropping into place. Usually, things work fine, but there are times when things go to hell in a handbasket quick, and in many ways. Thats what happened to me. That's not even in argument......I don't know where that tangent is coming from. You're completely off target from where I'm going with what I'm saying. I'm talking of times when the available resources aren't working as they could or should.
It mattered to me since I had airports nearly equal distance away, all with similar WX and similar approaches. With the emergency I had, I was concerned with ARFF index......as I know what it means and how to use it for my purpose. All of this has everything to do with getting on the ground safely and being able to be extricated from the aircraft, if necessary. I was going to get on the ground alright, one way or another. Just no guarantee I was going to get on the ground safely. I chose to think a little further ahead, but that was primarily due to background.
Who's implying anything? You're taking things a bit personally. Again, did you take the time to actually read that "hey, its not required, but here's how it can help you, since it helped me in this situation."
It's called learning from others' situations. Not a requirement for any kind of green book and the point isn't even a green book or not. My point was towards people who are overly dependant on the system and their resources always working without fail, then not knowing what to do when that happens and they're up there wondering why. Reference my post on declaring an IFE and other things if you don't want to believe me. These things happen. Catchy phrases like "resource management" and the like are great, when they work as intended.
Anything and Everything can happen at any given time, with or without prior notice.
Embrace it.
For that matter, better skip on using APG or whatever performance software is available...gotta flip through the spaghetti charts for your performance info! It's the legal way.
-mini
TFaudree_ERAU
Mashin' dem buttons
Again, I'd tend to agree.
The likelihood of wrong numbers coming out of APG or EFB Pro are slim to none, but again, if things go crunch in the night, you better be damn sure the computer numbers match the spaghetti charts.
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
At least in all my uses, APG (or whatever vendor) has been FAA approved source of performance numbers.
As an aside, a human head weighs 7 pounds....
There ya go.
Guys, if you're using an A/FD that's great. If you're using a Jepp Airport Directory, great. If you're using Airnav or fltplan.com or an EFB with several software solutions loaded in, that's great.
Mike, for your situation...the book was probably the only way to go and it worked out great. For my situation, popping the CD in every 2 weeks and getting the same information is just that much easier. For some, they're comfy with using airnav, skyvector, flight following and blasting off. They're the PIC...I can't say I'm willing to hang them for making a PIC decision.
How many VFR pilots in bugsmashers are concerned with things like ASDA for Part 25 aircraft performance?
...I really didn't think this was strictly intended for the bugsmasher crowd.
That being said, sorry I got involved here folks. Time for a self-imposed timeout. Catch ya in a while.
-mini
Thats cool. No implication in any way of anyone being unsafe or anything like that. To those that wanted to completely dismiss one particular tool over using technology only, I was reminding that there's still a place for old school stuff and here's why.
As an aside, I've been around the block a good number of times and in many different geographic areas and situations, both exciting and boring, fast and slow, hot and cold, friendly and unfriendly. In that time, I've been able to fill up the old SA bag with alot of useful stuff over the decades without getting killed yet (who knows, that could come soon too). I throw that useful stuff out there to those who want to use it or not and why that particular technique or method may be helpful, and try to stress how there aren't any absolutes in aviation. Take what I have to say to the bank, or flush it down the toilet; its up to you all. But it is tried, true and tested; both what has worked for me, as well as what hasn't.
When my number finally comes due and the odds catch up with me, and the Grim Reaper of aviation comes calling my direction; then make sure to learn the last thing I have to offer there......what not to do from that particular situation.
That will have made all of this aviating career stuff worth it.
Blip16
Well-Known Member
the AFD is only as current as the airport manager has updated the FAA. there are a lot of airports in my area that don't have everything the afd says it does
Sometimes on the internet, a few too many look for justifications of our perspectives.
I've had to tangle with "The Devil" in the eye twice in my professional career and act accordingly!
People may or may not heed reasonable advice, their loss!
USMCmech
Well-Known Member
That's why I've always respected Mike. No "My way is the only safe way" judgments that are so common from the 500 hour wonders.
For the record, I think the AFD is great if you have limited access to the modern technology, and you can always count to it when the technology breaks. I carry a sectional (old) for the same reason, the GPS doesn't always tell me what I need.