Flying entire life without AFD

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aevfo said:
. Also, I somewhat agree with him, I can find everything I need to divert on a sectional, however I should have more than a sectional for my planned landing airport.
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drunkenbeagle said:
What was there that you wouldn't have found in the terminal procedures?
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On my divert, I was kind of interested if the three fields I could divert to had an ARFF Index and what it specifically was, based on the IFE I had.

Not something readily available on the sectional.

Point is, you may need more than you think you might, and it won't all be on a sectional or the approach plate.
 
A/FD is the only legal source of takeoff and landing distances available.

Keep that in mind if you ever fly jets and don't have the luxury of someone doing your flight planning for you.
 
MikeD said:
On my divert, I was kind of interested if the three fields I could divert to had an ARFF Index and what it specifically was, based on the IFE I had.
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I bow to your superior flight planning, checking how many gallons of water the fire trucks have, I'd just be making sure there was a fire station (these are on the plates)
 
MikeD said:
On my divert, I was kind of interested if the three fields I could divert to had an ARFF Index and what it specifically was, based on the IFE I had.

Not something readily available on the sectional.

Point is, you may need more than you think you might, and it won't all be on a sectional or the approach plate.
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If you are diverting why do you care if the field has an ARFF index. Not trying to bust your b's just curious if this is some kind of op-specs sort of thing. That is nice to know information in my book, not need to know. It would be nice if the sectionals had the info for the on field restaurants and the times of operation and quality of service since I'm probably going to be sitting there for the next couple hours but again nice vs need to know.

TFaudree_ERAU said:
A/FD is the only legal source of takeoff and landing distances available.

Keep that in mind if you ever fly jets and don't have the luxury of someone doing your flight planning for you.
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Can you reference that for me?
 
jhugz said:
If you are diverting why do you care if the field has an ARFF index.
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If I expect to be on fire with 30,000 lbs of fuel, it would be good to know the fire trucks have more than 500 gallons of water...

I personally would just ask ATC for help.
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
A/FD is the only legal source of takeoff and landing distances available.

Keep that in mind if you ever fly jets and don't have the luxury of someone doing your flight planning for you.
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So you are saying that a 10-9 is not a legal source for t/o and landing distances?
 
I've used an AFD MAYBE twice. Never owned one until I was I was going for my IR rating.

oh and FY- Center controllers can pull up a page of an AFD on their screen so ask away.
 
drunkenbeagle said:
I bow to your superior flight planning, checking how many gallons of water the fire trucks have, I'd just be making sure there was a fire station (these are on the plates)
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Not when there's no airport diagram for the airport, only approaches. I personally like to have an idea what's actually down there, being trained on such. There's a little more to an ARFF Index than just gallonage.

That's what Global SA gets you.
 
jhugz said:
If you are diverting why do you care if the field has an ARFF index. Not trying to bust your b's just curious if this is some kind of op-specs sort of thing. That is nice to know information in my book, not need to know. It would be nice if the sectionals had the info for the on field restaurants and the times of operation and quality of service since I'm probably going to be sitting there for the next couple hours but again nice vs need to know.



Can you reference that for me?
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Field restaurants don't make the difference between life and death. Diverting in WX with an emergency to an airport (when there's a choice of airports within the same reasonable distance) that has the appropriate emergency equipment type or simply, just may.
 
MikeD said:
Diverting in WX with an emergency to an airport (when there's a choice of airports within the same reasonable distance) that has the appropriate emergency equipment type or simply, just may.
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If you were diverting in weather with an emergency why wouldn't you just push the button and ask? That seems way easier to me than trying to find the correct page of the airport, then look an read the tiny print all while flying in weather with an emergency. ATC's there for you.
 
aevfo said:
If you were diverting in weather with an emergency why wouldn't you just push the button and ask? That seems way easier to me than trying to find the correct page of the airport, then look an read the tiny print all while flying in weather with an emergency. ATC's there for you.
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I did. They didn't know offhand. Being uncontrolled fields, they couldn't readily get a hold of anyone either. And there wasn't time to dick around waiting for ATC to hold my hand or point me in the right direction.

Like I said, mine was a very unusual situation, but one where I had to make things happen myself despite the best efforts of ATC. The situation at hand just wasn't dealing out good cards from the deck that evening.

You can skate by with minimums; or you can plan and be prepared for the worst, and hope for the best.

There's not always the instant and easy solution available. And sometimes, you just may need that little publication in the flight bag that you rarely use...

See where I'm going with this?
 
MikeD said:
Not when there's no airport diagram for the airport, only approaches.
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True. But I can't think of an airport off hand that is big enough to have a fire station, yet isn't big enough to have an airport diagram in the terminal procedures.

In any case, I would ask ATC. Since they can call the fire station to get the fire fighters ready. And bring in local firefighters that might be further away. Or find out that there is some NOTAM for the fire station being closed that you wouldn't know from the AF/D that is 55 days old.

There is a wealth of information in the AF/D though, in particular if you are VFR and don't have the Jepp/Naco charts.
 
drunkenbeagle said:
True. But I can't think of an airport off hand that is big enough to have a fire station, yet isn't big enough to have an airport diagram in the terminal procedures.
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Oh they're there.

In any case, I would ask ATC. Since they can call the fire station to get the fire fighters ready. And bring in local firefighters that might be further away. Or find out that there is some NOTAM for the fire station being closed that you wouldn't know from the AF/D that is 55 days old.

There is a wealth of information in the AF/D though, in particular if you are VFR and don't have the Jepp/Naco charts.
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Again, the answers are simple when you're at zero altitude and zero airspeed behind the keyboard. You don't think I tried these things? For one, ATC calling an uncontrolled airport doesn't go as fast as you may think (or as I thought it would've), it's not like there's always some 911-esqe speed and ability.

Who knows? Someday, the $4 you were too cheap to shell out for an AFD might just may make the difference in a situation......don't always depend on crutches to keep you upright.
 
MikeD said:
I did. They didn't know offhand. Being uncontrolled fields, they couldn't readily get a hold of anyone either. And there wasn't time to dick around waiting for ATC to hold my hand or point me in the right direction.

Like I said, mine was a very unusual situation, but one where I had to make things happen myself despite the best efforts of ATC. The situation at hand just wasn't dealing out good cards from the deck that evening.

You can skate by with minimums; or you can plan and be prepared for the worst, and hope for the best.

There's not always the instant and easy solution available. And sometimes, you just may need that little publication in the flight bag that you rarely use...

See where I'm going with this?
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How about a pickled egg to take the edge off!:D
 
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