Pinnacle has reached a TA!!!
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v1valarob
Well-Known Member
Damn Colgan pilots. Stealing our flying AND our message board?
APC is a PNCL board?
If thats your board, this might as well be ours ;-)
And yes higney I quoted your post since I knew you were a P2P guy.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Was also on our company board.
I'm seriously thinking of just quitting the Airlink board altogether. The useful information on that board has become about 1% of the traffic where it used to be around 10-15%. Now, it's all become a bunch of guys complaining about how much their life sucks and how if anyone votes "yes" on the TA, we're scum sucking sell outs. We've already got one guy starting the "We're gonna get banned from jumpseats if we pass this" schtick.
SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
Was also on our company board.
I'm seriously thinking of just quitting the Airlink board altogether. The useful information on that board has become about 1% of the traffic where it used to be around 10-15%. Now, it's all become a bunch of guys complaining about how much their life sucks and how if anyone votes "yes" on the TA, we're scum sucking sell outs. We've already got one guy starting the "We're gonna get banned from jumpseats if we pass this" schtick.
Apparantly ALPA will cut MCD funding for PNCL ALPA if we don't approve the TA?
We'll lose Delta flying if we don't approve the TA?
Don't ask me - ask the Delta pilots that tell me this..... no idea what to believe anymore. :dunno:
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
I HIGHLY doubt we'll lose Delta flying, although I wouldn't put it past the company to use that as a threat to push guys one way or the other. If we're gonna lose Delta flying for voting "no," we would have lost the flying if we voted "yes" anyway.
As for losing $$$ from the MCD, not sure if I buy into that one, either.
The board has become worse than a crew room filled with check airmen and MX guys as far as rumors go.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
What the hell is "MCD funding?" :dunno:
You have an Air Service Agreement (ASA) with Delta that won't allow this.
SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
Ok not "MCD".... "MCF"... whatever that is:
I have also heard this scenario from a guy here who's a Delta pilot.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
I thought you might mean that, but I wasn't sure.
For starters, the ALPA BOD doesn't control MCF disbursements as your friend there states. It's controlled by the Executive Council and the Executive Board. I suppose the BOD could theoretically get involved, but they never have, and I guarantee they won't in this case.
As far as the EXCL or the EXBD cutting off funding, not a chance in hell. Remember, these are fellow pilots that control the funding, not lawyers and accountants. All of them are fellow line pilots that understand exactly what you're fighting for. They aren't going to cut your money. Besides, to be honest with you, PCL ALPA hasn't used hardly any MCF funding in the first place. I think it's been something like $200k total since it was approved 2.5 years ago. The PCL MEC has always run a very tight budget.
For starters, the ALPA BOD doesn't control MCF disbursements as your friend there states. It's controlled by the Executive Council and the Executive Board. I suppose the BOD could theoretically get involved, but they never have, and I guarantee they won't in this case.
As far as the EXCL or the EXBD cutting off funding, not a chance in hell. Remember, these are fellow pilots that control the funding, not lawyers and accountants. All of them are fellow line pilots that understand exactly what you're fighting for. They aren't going to cut your money. Besides, to be honest with you, PCL ALPA hasn't used hardly any MCF funding in the first place. I think it's been something like $200k total since it was approved 2.5 years ago. The PCL MEC has always run a very tight budget.
SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Kell, can you clarify? What items are concessionary? First time I've heard that it's worse than current book.
SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
ii. If a suitable and accessible crew lounge is available at
the airport (including a suitable FBO lounge arranged for
by the Company), the company may provide such
facility in lieu of providing a day room. :insane:
9C1-3
We are allowed to refuse functional check flights if we determine they might not be safe, and will not get disciplined for that…. UNLESS the Chief Pilot determines it was unjustified – what happened to PIC authority?
Oh and 10 days off for reserves.... awesome!
A few examples of this travesty.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
So I take it the honeymoon is over with then huh?
Good luck girls and boys, we're all counting on you.
Good luck girls and boys, we're all counting on you.
SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
The real question is.... once we as a pilot group (and no one else, as much as many people scream "we're the next Mesa) decide OUR contract isn't passing muster.... what do we do as far as representation? I've heard that the "gold standard" is NetJets who got rid of their MEC and within 90 days went from a reject TA to a nice shiny new one.
However, I don't necessarily think it's the Reps (all of them) that are the problem. Wasn't this thing majorly TA'd before the current administration (MEC)?
SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
Don't count on us...:dunno:
we don't set our own pay rates. We reset our rates to industry average every anniversary of date of signing. No less than a 1% increase but no greater than 3% up to the amendable date.