Continental pilot dies in flight

If any of you guys that don't understand what goes on behind the scenes on a daily basis, feel free to have a peek at my world:

behind.gif

That was about a single day for the most part.

Not counting for probably ten PM's and before I even look at the public parts of the forum.

If trying to keep a forum friendly, fun and informative is that easy, I'm always looking for team members.

Every report gets looked at, discussed and we decide on a course of action. Often times, my wife and I will argue across the desk.

Now when a couple days like that pops up and it's revolving around two or three people, across a broad spectrum of users that seem to go on about their day and largely go unnoticed, there's something that needs to change.

I could 'screen' by charging for the website, which is against my principles. I could wash my hands and succomb to the 'aww, screw it man, just ban it" which is against my principles as well because ANYONE can turn their ship around, or I could just keep on trying to do the best job I can, even though it's not perfect and I know it.

If you guys have better suggestions on improving the community, you know how to reach me.
 
Doug Taylor said:
If any of you guys that don't understand what goes on behind the scenes on a daily basis, feel free to have a peek at my world:

View attachment 8746

That was about a single day.

Not counting for probably ten PM's and before I even look at the public parts of the forum.

If trying to keep a forum friendly, fun and informative is that easy, I'm always looking for team members.
Click to expand...
off topic post:yup:
 
It's been a few years, but I'm remembering there being a defined game plan at AMR as to what to do with an incapacitated crew member. It was part of our (F/A) medical training.

Without actually spelling out the procedures, in a nutshell we removed the incapacitated pilot and put them in the galley or bulkhead area, dealt with the medical emergency from there the same as we'd deal with any other medical emergency on board. As for finding any "help" for the remaining pilot, we'd use company pilots or jumpseaters first, with the final decision on the acceptance of help left to the remaining pilot.
 
Bumblebee said:
off topic post:yup:
Click to expand...

Lemme think. I've given three speeches and rewrote that "don't argue with a mod, bring it to me" about two or three times, but NooooOoOooo... By the time I get back on to check things out, it moves from a situation where I can work the two sides off into a freaking crazed melee which totally ties my hands.

I really don't get it.

People complain about some getting timed out because that person had an interesting perspective. But do you know how many people AVOID internet forums that have great perspectives because they don't want to deal with drama and caustic attitudes?

How many of us are refugees from other websites? I am! Did we come here because it was a casual, 'comfortable living room' environment or did we just come to JC because it was free and we got kicked off another website?

Gosh, I don't even ask that much, just keep your feet off my coffee table and be cool.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Lemme think. I've given three speeches and rewrote that "don't argue with a mod, bring it to me" about two or three times, but NooooOoOooo... By the time I get back on to check things out, it moves from a situation where I can work the two sides off into a freaking crazed melee which totally ties my hands.

I really don't get it.

People complain about some getting timed out because that person had an interesting perspective. But do you know how many people AVOID internet forums that have great perspectives because they don't want to deal with drama and caustic attitudes?

How many of us are refugees from other websites? I am! Did we come here because it was a casual, 'comfortable living room' environment or did we just come to JC because it was free and we got kicked off another website?

Gosh, I don't even ask that much, just keep your feet off my coffee table and be cool.
Click to expand...

So should I take off my shoes before I walk on the carpet. :D
 
You know, I have to say, I think I'd get in the way more than I'd help if there was an emergency situation on the flight deck. I don't know the airplane. I don't know where the buttons are. I could work the radios, but if you asked me to program the FMS to go direct to an airport, I'd be like, uh...well, I think I do it like this and then you'd probably say never mind, I'll do it.

It's not that my flying skills suck. It's just that I wouldn't know the first thing to do. In fact, I would say that if there was an emergency and I was brought to the flight deck, the best thing to do would be to tell me to fly the plane while the remaining pilot who knew what the hell he was doing did those things.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Lemme think. I've given three speeches and rewrote that "don't argue with a mod, bring it to me" about two or three times, but NooooOoOooo... By the time I get back on to check things out, it moves from a situation where I can work the two sides off into a freaking crazed melee which totally ties my hands.

I really don't get it.

People complain about some getting timed out because that person had an interesting perspective. But do you know how many people AVOID internet forums that have great perspectives because they don't want to deal with drama and caustic attitudes?

How many of us are refugees from other websites? I am! Did we come here because it was a casual, 'comfortable living room' environment or did we just come to JC because it was free and we got kicked off another website?

Gosh, I don't even ask that much, just keep your feet off my coffee table and be cool.
Click to expand...


Can't forget, "Don't pee on the carpet...."
 
tonyw said:
You know, I have to say, I think I'd get in the way more than I'd help if there was an emergency situation on the flight deck. I don't know the airplane. I don't know where the buttons are. I could work the radios, but if you asked me to program the FMS to go direct to an airport, I'd be like, uh...well, I think I do it like this and then you'd probably say never mind, I'll do it.

It's not that my flying skills suck. It's just that I wouldn't know the first thing to do. In fact, I would say that if there was an emergency and I was brought to the flight deck, the best thing to do would be to tell me to fly the plane while the remaining pilot who knew what the hell he was doing did those things.
Click to expand...
sure, but you could talk on a radio couldn't you. I could give you instructions and have you relay while I was on with center, right. I could point out two guages and say,"if it gets outside of these numbers, tell me.
It is likely I would not have a non 121/135/military guy come sit in a seat, but you would rise to the challenge.
 
To keep this post a bit on topic, let me just offer my opinion as a CRM faciliator and 121 Captain. One of the things you must realize when it comes to CRM is that the "resource" part can sometimes help you, but it can also hurt you. I sometimes try to use examples of this in classes I'm facilitating, so we can all understand that while input it good, sometimes having too many sources of input can just distract you from the task at hand.

In my personal opinion, should my First Officer become incapacitated, I'd likely only request assistance from a) a company crewmember, b) an offline crewmember, or c) nobody. That's not a knock on any private pilots or CFIs that may be in back. I just believe that with everything I'm going to be tasked with, that additional resource will be a hinderance to me rather than assisting me. If I were to bring another non-airline pilot up front, it would be only to help me look for traffic.

I know people have mentioned radio calls. I'm sure a private pilot could handle calls like "cleared to land," but I believe I'd find myself relaying all instructions like "we need to request medical assistance to meet us at gate 33, they do not need to follow," when I could easily make that call myself.

I hate to say it, but the EMB-145 can be flown single-pilot in an emergency. I'm sure any Check Airman will tell you they have flown it single-pilot with a very overhelmed new-hire FO. Not knocking FOs, just using it as an example.

Now, as for the "scab" argument... I do want to say this: How can some of you come on here and make vile comments about scabs, calling them the "low of the low" and making their life hell, then suddenly change tune when someone who fits that description passes away?

It reminds me of when I was in grade school. We had a kid in our class who was different... He was always very decheveled looking, didn't comb his hair, smelled bad, etc... He had a rough childhood. The kids in our class used to tear him to shreds. Well, one day he was crossing a busy street in our neighborhood, and he was hit by a car and killed. The next few days, the kids in our class were upset beyond belief. We had group meetings with teachers and the priests/sisters from the church, and one stands out in my mind very clearly to this day:

One teacher asked the class, "If Francis were here today, what would you say to him? Would you treat him differently?" One girl, who was a particular bully, said, "I would invite him to hang out with us. He was a good person. I would ask him to be my friend." I remember thinking to myself, "You are so full of it!" I knew if he was alive, the kids would still be tormenting him, making his life a living hell.

The same applies here. Suddenly through this unfortunate event, calling this man a "scab" is reprehensible. However, do you not think if he was still alive, he would be ostricized by his peers for what happened in 1983?

Am I encouraging us to continue to berate the man for what happened back then? Absolutely not. What I'm trying to do is point out the fact that we are so quick to change tune when suddenly we realize that these men and women are human. They have families and loved ones that are going to mourn their loss. We realize it could be us in that position, and suddenly throwing the insult "scab" around doesn't come so easy. I think this is an important learning lesson for all of us, to realize what we do an say when someone is alive matters just as much as what we say when they pass away.
 
pipepatrol said:
Can Velo come back with a new name? Just call himself Vemo or something?
Click to expand...

This site is better without him. My earlier post was deleted, as usual, but I still think he had nothing to offer with the way he presented himself.


On topic, it would be a judgment call as whether or not to bring up someone else to help. If you can fly the plane and make a few emergency radio calls you should be fine. The longer you have to prepare for landing the less likely you would need someone else.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top