Continental pilot dies in flight

LoadMasterC141 said:
I have had several 10000 hour+ foreign captains come to get an FAA ATP MEL license. They usually have big problems flying the Seminole and it is all due to single pilot.

A 60 year old A340 Captain with 24000 hours simply could not fly the airplane, setup the approaches, talk on the radios, run checklists, and configure the airplane even after 15 hours of flying. He said it was crazy to think someone could do it all by themselves. I took him to the sim and showed him myself, but he never thought it was right. This guy had not flown single pilot in 40 years.

The same kind of thing is evident with Military guys who have 2 or more in the flight deck, though they generally adapt faster.

Of course, I am sure a 777 has alot more help than a Seminole for the pilot. An autopilot counts as another person to me.
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Interesting perspective. I'll not take your comment as a generalization of professional pilots, but when the more pay comment is brought up; when the "hundreds of lives pilots are responsible for" comment comes up to justify more pay, I'll simply remember your example.

I'll need to read more to also better understand the term "scab." I'm sure when you mention PFJ/PFTs, scabs are also pilots who individuals perceive have brought disgrace upon the professionalism of other pilots.
 
Kristie said:
if you asked me, i'd think it's just basic compassion considering the circumstances...

plus, him being a scab really has nothing at all to do with the story at large....kinda like calling anyone whose recently passed away from unusual circumstances a royal pita....the fact that he may have been a royal pita has nothing to do with the topic at hand and isn't respectful when speaking of the dead IMO...
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BINGO!!! Maybe it's a compassion mechanism females possess. It's kind of like this--I had a neighbor I didn't speak to for a few years since he was a great guy when sober, but very nasty when drunk. He was old enough to be my father and I didn't get disrespectful with him, I just ignored him. When he passed away I was sorry for him and his family, but I didn't show up for his wake. That would have been hypocritical.
 
DE727UPS said:
"Now, as for the "scab" argument... I do want to say this: How can some of you come on here and make vile comments about scabs, calling them the "low of the low" and making their life hell, then suddenly change tune when someone who fits that description passes away?"

I have no desire to wish ill will on the pilot who just died. However, the fact that his name is on the scab list is simply a fact. Seems like quite a few here are upset that DE was the one who made the fact public at JC. I'm still trying to figure that one out....

Craig Lenell made a call 26 years ago for whatever reason. The call was the wrong one. It was a bad call. There are few things professional pilots can do to improve their lot. One big one is to be unionized. I can only speak for myself, but I'd guess I make twice what a USairways guy doing my job makes and maybe four times what a Omni Air guy makes doing my job. Why do I make four times what an Omni Air 757 Capt makes? It's cause of my union, and maybe a little bit because my company is profitable. So, you can call me a rather pro-union sort of fella. When the crapola hits the rotating fan, it's really important for union members to stick together. Being a scab is about the worst possible thing one could do to his union brothers.

Recently, UPS decided they needed to lay off 10% of the IPA pilots. Our union got together with the membership and asked for guys to job share and take leaves to prevent a furlough. We were able to avoid a furlough at UPS because a majority of the union pilots stuck together and agreed to voluntary personal sacrifices that resulted in no furloughs at UPS, at least until April. I myself am taking the next two months off without pay. Let me tell you people, this is the sort of thing that needs to happen in the biz to turn things around and improve the career. Sticking together is everything. Crossing a picket line is the worst of the worst.

Again, I have no ill will against Craig Lenell. At this point, I think I'd welcome a scab onto my jumpseat just to hear their story. I'm sorry so many JC'ers are upset with this thread. That was never my intention.
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Couple of comments/different perspectives please. . .

To challenge the view of the majority takes significant courage especially when there is a significant majority you're contradicting. I personally have a great amount of respect for those who challenge the majority, because they disagree with the majority viewpoint and they'll stand up and verbalize it despite the negativity of the majority. To "name call" is a strong indicator, for me, of stupidity or lack of insight into a disentor's viewpoint. It's just plain dumb. I've heard the term used with ATC flight controllers, pilots, and professional athletes throughout my life. It's bull. . . For me, it's an indicator of a shallow, simple mind.

You make this "united we stand/divided we fall" comment as if it's the panacea for unions to succeed. I won't digress into any philosophical discussion about the auto industry union, but your UPS example of sacrifice only indicates that discussion between labor and industry worked together to achieve effective mediation. It was simply a financial conflict where both worked to achieve a "win-win" outcome. . . but was it really? Labor got what they wanted; as for the pilots? Well. . . if you're saying it's okay to take two months of MY pay to keep new pilot "Fred" around? Well, alright. . .you got a win-win scenario. I'll not argue YOUR perception if doing your two month "no pay" hiatus, you're not eating spam/ramen. If you have to downsize your Benz to a Cadillac Escalade. . .hmmm!
(I do wonder if the unions were offered that same alternative solution to their pilots now before the recession hit to avoid the present furloughs? I'll need more insight from others to better understand that perspective.)

I can only speak for myself, but I'd guess I make twice what a USairways guy doing my job makes and maybe four times what a Omni Air guy makes doing my job. Why do I make four times what an Omni Air 757 Capt makes? It's cause of my union, and maybe a little bit because my company is profitable.
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Ya think?

Craig Lenell made a call 26 years ago for whatever reason. The call was the wrong one. It was a bad call.
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Huh? Bad? Let's see. . .remember PATCO back in 1981? Makes me wonder if the "union" really was representing the "majority" opinion of it's employees. United you stand? Interesting reading:

http://etext.virginia.edu/journals/EH/EH37/Pels.html
 
Kristie said:
if you asked me, i'd think it's just basic compassion considering the circumstances...

plus, him being a scab really has nothing at all to do with the story at large....kinda like calling anyone whose recently passed away from unusual circumstances a royal pita....the fact that he may have been a royal pita has nothing to do with the topic at hand and isn't respectful when speaking of the dead IMO...
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You might want to note that you are posting on a quote that I only quoted as a discussion topic. Someone else made the comment....
 
"I'll not argue YOUR perception if doing your two month "no pay" hiatus, you're not eating spam/ramen. If you have to downsize your Benz to a Cadillac Escalade. . .hmmm!"

I'll be driving a 05 Turbo Subaru Baja and a 92 Corvette Convertable, both before, and after, my voluntary leave without pay furlough mitigation. Just for the record....
 
SmoothLanderJ said:
Me too. WOW! I agree with you, I cant believe it.

....Uh....do they allow Black people in Montana?...:D
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Not too sure, but you can stay with me...or would you be part of society and would be defeating my purpose? :p

MFT1Air said:
I'd rather had caller ID that I may find that caller . . . and vent.(Trying to be polite)
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I meant that society/humanity disgusts me so much sometimes that I wish I would have no contact with media or other people. How some can have negative compassion boggles my mind. :confused:
 
DE727UPS said:
"I'll not argue YOUR perception if doing your two month "no pay" hiatus, you're not eating spam/ramen. If you have to downsize your Benz to a Cadillac Escalade. . .hmmm!"

I'll be driving a 05 Turbo Subaru Baja and a 92 Corvette Convertable, both before, and after, my voluntary leave without pay furlough mitigation. Just for the record....
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Trumps my 2000 Dodge Caravan. . .SE:D
 
I'm going to interject something here. I am not a Part 121 pilot, but I am a professional pilot. I would put anyone up in the flight station with me as a second set of eyes. Yep, I can fly the mighty Orion single piloted (Bumblebee can vouch), but you know what, when the world is going to hell and an hand-basket (whatever that means) and you get a traffic call, it sure is nice to have that other set of eyes. Hell, I miss the fact that we only have two crewmembers in our STC for the P-3. The other day flying down to San Diego, I had traffic same altitude and closing. You know what, my wife and daughter did a hell of a job as copilot looking for that traffic. Sometimes it is a little more than turning dials and reading checklists....


just my two cents.... go ahead and have a bar-b-que..... :)
 
dcramer16 said:
Just move in with me...:laff:

Edit: Sadly, most days, JC is my only link to society.....:insane:
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You, me, both!

And when y'all start acting a foo, generally, breakfast and lunch are eaten right here in the home office as I try to make apples or oranges of what the heck is going on.
 
This is a conversation I observed between the FO and CA in the jumpseat last night on a mainline legacy B757 on the way home from my commute last night. Both pilots had 20+ years with the company.

CA: The CO captain that died turned out to be a scab.

FO: He was?

CA: Yup.

FO: Well then he got what was coming to him.

Disclaimer:

I haven't been reading this thread because of my disinterest. If this has been discussed previously, I apologize. I also don't claim any responsibility of their comments. I'm just trying to see what the feeling is about this issue.
 
mrivc211 said:
This is a conversation I observed between the FO and CA in the jumpseat last night on a mainline legacy B757 on the way home from my commute last night. Both pilots had 20+ years with the company.

CA: The CO captain that died turned out to be a scab.

FO: He was?

CA: Yup.

FO: Well then he got what was coming to him.

Disclaimer:

I haven't been reading this thread because of my disinterest. If this has been discussed previously, I apologize. I also don't claim any responsibility of their comments. I'm just trying to see what the feeling is about this issue.
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Oh boy! :pop:

:deadhorse:
 
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