I have not had to use a NASA form. If I need to use one, what could it do?
Free movie rentals of, "Apollo 13", FOR LIFE??!?!?
Ok, I'm just messing with ya. What is that type of form anyways?
I'll try to find the link that says they aren't accepted anymore.
Just because it says they can't use what you disclose on a NASA form against you doesn't mean the FAA can't collect the evidence they need/want in some other way.
I've filed two recently. One when I had a tire go flat in flight which left me disabled on the runway after landing, and the other when, presumably, ATC forgot to hand us off to another Center and then tried to blame it on us.
I regard the NASA as a method of self disclosure and critique without fearing repercussions through that particular medium. The FAA may still come after me, but hopefully they show some leniency when they consider that there I have done a self-critique and that I will learn from my own mistake.
Thanks for the above links and words from people. This is absolutly correct! YOU CAN STILL FILE THEM.. HOWEVER.. JUST BECUASE YOU FILE IT... DOES NOT MEAN that is was like how is used to be. Meaning.. If you filed it before the FAA came after you, then chances are you'll get a slap on the wrist and say thanks for fessing up to it (if you did something wrong).
Now.. YOu file it, and they will still say, THanks for the info, and they will then decide HOW SEVERE (if any) the FAA will throw the book at you.
Confidentiality and Incentives to Report
Pilots, air traffic controllers, flight attendants, mechanics, ground personnel, and others involved in aviation operations submit reports to the ASRS when they are involved in, or observe, an incident or situation in which aviation safety was compromised. All submissions are voluntary.
Reports sent to the ASRS are held in strict confidence. More than 715,000 reports have been submitted to date and no reporter's identity has ever been breached by the ASRS. ASRS de-identifies reports before entering them into the incident database. All personal and organizational names are removed. Dates, times, and related information, which could be used to infer an identity, are either generalized or eliminated.
The FAA offers ASRS reporters further guarantees and incentives to report. It has committed itself not to use ASRS information against reporters in enforcement actions. It has also chosen to waive fines and penalties, subject to certain limitations, for unintentional violations of federal aviation statutes and regulations which are reported to ASRS. The FAA's initiation, and continued support of the ASRS program and its willingness to waive penalties in qualifying cases is a measure of the value it places on the safety information gathered, and the products made possible, through incident reporting to the ASRS.
Advisory Circular 00-46D
9. c.
The filing of a report with NASA concerning an incident or occurrence involving a violation of 49 U.S.C. Subtitle VII, or the FAR is considered by FAA to be indicative of a constructive attitude. Such an attitude will tend to prevent future violations. Accordingly, although a finding of violation may be made, neither a civil penalty nor certificate suspension will be imposed if:
1. the violation was inadvertent and not deliberate;
2. the violation did not involve a criminal offense, or accident. or action under 49 U.S.C. Section 44709 which discloses a lack of qualification or competency, which is wholly excluded from this policy;
3. the person has not been found in any prior FAA enforcement action to have committed a violation of 49 U.S.C. Subtitle VII, or any regulation promulgated there for a period of 5 years prior to the date of occurrence; and
4. the person proves that, within 10 days after the violation, he or she completed and delivered or mailed a written report of the incident or occurrence to NASA under ASRS. See paragraphs 5c and 7b.
We're still waiting for you to find where it says what you said about the program being over. My bet is you won't.Thanks for the above links and words from people. This is absolutly correct! YOU CAN STILL FILE THEM.. HOWEVER.. JUST BECUASE YOU FILE IT... DOES NOT MEAN that is was like how is used to be. Meaning.. If you filed it before the FAA came after you, then chances are you'll get a slap on the wrist and say thanks for fessing up to it (if you did something wrong).
Now.. YOu file it, and they will still say, THanks for the info, and they will then decide HOW SEVERE (if any) the FAA will throw the book at you.
This is my understanding of it. If I have an instance... I PROMISE YOU, i will still fill one out. WIth the hope that upon investigation, the FAA will show that the pilot "took great concern with truth and honesty to come to a factual finding of the incident".
THoughts?
I have not had to use a NASA form. If I need to use one, what could it do?
We're still waiting for you to find where it says what you said about the program being over. My bet is you won't.
You got some lousy info. My guess is that whoever told you didn't understand the program to begin with (there is a TON of misinformation out there) and when he found out that it wasn't 100% guaranteed that you would get out of it if you buzzed your next door neighbor and crashed into his house, figured the program had changed.