October 09?!?!

MattMorgan

Well-Known Member
I can't express how mad I am at this one.
I see almost everyone who applied Pubnat2 got class dates for just before the summer and I got an e-mail that says this:

Since the ATO has already done all their FY09 hiring, you won't be going to class until after October 1, 2009.

What?!? 1 yr. 5 mo. later at least (99.9% chance it will be longer)? And if the ATO did all of their hiring, does that mean my TOL is now invalid? Did that position get filled too? It said specifically in the letter I was sent that if my medical history got turned in after the specified date it would count as me declining the position. I wasted over $45 dollars in overnight mail to get that in on time! That doesn't include the numerous other $16.50 overnight letters. I think they test your stress capacity with these sick mind games! This process has been grueling! Now I'm wondering which tests will be expired by the time the next FY rolls around! I read somewhere else that drug tests expire after 6 months... but what about the physical and MMPI?

Stuck working a job I picked up to fill the gap between college and this at the local grocery store!

Sorry for going on so long...

:banghead:

So who else is as angry about this as I am at this point?
 
This is bullcrap if we need TOL's again, because I did nothing to slow down the process so obviously the system is set up where it can't always be completed in one fiscal year...

Crap, I can't tell you how bad I wanted this. It's the only thing making me so angry.

So we're probably looking at a TOL a few monts after October 2009... Repeats of tests a few months after that... at least medical and drug (hopefully we can get hit with these JUST BEFORE FY10)... Then a FOL a few months after that. I doubt I'll be in class Oct. '09 though.

Please I hope the ATO for some miraculous reason decides to squeeze a few more of us in this FY. Maybe open another class this summer or something. Isn't this more work for HR and other employees of the FAA to have to set all of this up for us again?
 
This is bullcrap if we need TOL's again, because I did nothing to slow down the process so obviously the system is set up where it can't always be completed in one fiscal year...

Crap, I can't tell you how bad I wanted this. It's the only thing making me so angry.

did you actually get a FOL or was that a response from HR from asking them??

all class dates are defaulted to FY 09 until they get you cleared. after that they move you to a "real" class date.

in other words you might be frieking out for no reason.
 
did you actually get a FOL or was that a response from HR from asking them??

all class dates are defaulted to FY 09 until they get you cleared. after that they move you to a "real" class date.

in other words you might be frieking out for no reason.

I just got word last week that I was cleared. I talked to HR and asked my specialist if I was and she said yes, all she was waiting for now was the rest of my paperwork and a class date.

Sunday (3/15) I sent another e-mail asking this:

Dear Mrs. Blankity Blank:

On some of the forums I've been reading I see that some people get assigned a class date before ever receiving their FOL. I was wondering if my class date has already been assigned or not? There will be no scheduling conflicts with my class, as I will be able to accept any date.
I would prefer to get there before the summer if at all possible, though.
I do understand if these things can't be done, I will be grateful for any
news.

Thanks,
Matthew Morgan

The response I recieved was to this question.

I'd imagine that this makes HR's job harder too though.
 
I just got word last week that I was cleared. I talked to HR and asked my specialist if I was and she said yes, all she was waiting for now was the rest of my paperwork and a class date.

Sunday (3/15) I sent another e-mail asking this:

Dear Mrs. Blankity Blank:

On some of the forums I've been reading I see that some people get assigned a class date before ever receiving their FOL. I was wondering if my class date has already been assigned or not? There will be no scheduling conflicts with my class, as I will be able to accept any date.
I would prefer to get there before the summer if at all possible, though.
I do understand if these things can't be done, I will be grateful for any
news.

Thanks,
Matthew Morgan

The response I recieved was to this question.

I'd imagine that this makes HR's job harder too though.


Personally, I don't know if I would have started off an e-mail with "On some of the forums I've been reading..."
 
did you actually get a FOL or was that a response from HR from asking them??

all class dates are defaulted to FY 09 until they get you cleared. after that they move you to a "real" class date.

in other words you might be frieking out for no reason.

Sorry I didn't answer your question, no FOL for me yet. Did you get yours?
 
Who said anything about needing a new TOL? You just have to wait for a class date... even if that is FY10 I don't see why you'd need a new TOL.
 
Wow, lots of things to answer. I'll go randomly...

1. Depending on the facility you are going the wait could be a long time. I am currently projected to start Academy 1 week shy of the one year anniversary of receiving my TOL.
2. They won't need to 'redo' your TOL, once you get it your fine.
3. Yes, you need to redo your drug test after 6 months. Many of us have.
4. You are not really competing for dates with the same PUBNAT... you are essentially placed on a list in order of TOL for the facility you were selected for, your date is dependant upon when that facility needs people and when the ATO decides to issue Academy slots for that facility. When they get to your name on the list and there is an open slot for your facility, they'll put you in it.
5. They don't necessarily give offers based on Academy slots, therefore it's common they offer more TOLs than slots they have alotted to them (and don't necessarily know how many slots they may have in the FY).
6. There is a document out on FAA.gov somewhere indicating that 1st qtr FY09 they had less attrition than they expected and slightly offered more TOLs than they planned. This has caused the need to cancel a few terminal & enroute classes (3 enroute classes, don't remember how many terminal).

I think you had other issues, but I think that's enough from me for now.
 
Who said anything about needing a new TOL? You just have to wait for a class date... even if that is FY10 I don't see why you'd need a new TOL.

Yeah, I just went back to my original TOL and didn't see any expiration. I was just nervous that an offer in one FY was an offer for just that FY. Maybe I'd be better off e-mailing HR with my concerns. I'm sure I still need a repeat pysical and drug test, but maybe this will be streamlined, and hopefully not too long after October, as painful as that is to say.
 
Found it .. it says they've decided to cancel all third shift classes for tower from March - July.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but that would mean where they show 3 classes starting for March & April dates, that will now be reduced to 2 each start date.
 
so does this mean they aren't giving out anymore class dates period. or just depends on your tol date / facility??

My assumption was that signing your FOL was ultimately your being "hired". If this is true, going by what I've heard, if you don't have one, you won't be able to get one to sign until Oct. '09, because FY09 hiring is done. So there shouldn't be any class dates given either, unless they are for classes after Oct. '09. Any chance the ATO still hasn't released some FOL's for some of the people they have already hired?

Guess all we can do now is wait...
Maybe this freeze will be... un-frozen
 
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