Whats going on here at FSA??

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LS024 said:
HA!

FSI is not falling apart by any means!
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Not FSI. I should have clarified. FSA. Sorry for the confusion. FSI is a strong company and I doubt they will be going anywhere. I know FSA is funded and backed by FSI but the question is how much longer? Once FSI sells FSA to GTI, or whoever it gets sold off to, I think the school will make a turn around for the best. I'm not saying its going to happen over night or that GTI will be the ultimate purchaser. But it's a matter of time before it gets sold. It was on the market once it will be on the market again.
 
C5crewChief said:
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Not FSI. I should have clarified. FSA. Sorry for the confusion. FSI is a strong company and I doubt they will be going anywhere. I know FSA is funded and backed by FSI but the question is how much longer? Once FSI sells FSA to GTI, or whoever it gets sold off to, I think the school will make a turn around for the best. I'm not saying its going to happen over night or that GTI will be the ultimate purchaser. But it's a matter of time before it gets sold. It was on the market once it will be on the market again.
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Let's see, the economy is in the crapper, yet FSA is hiring new instructors?

There is no money available for American students, yet they are hiring new instructors.

They have students coming in from all over the globe and they are hiring new instructors.

I thought companies lay off workers when they are in times of stress, not bring in more?
 
SatelliteBeachPilot said:
Let's see, the economy is in the crapper, yet FSA is hiring new instructors?

There is no money available for American students, yet they are hiring new instructors.

They have students coming in from all over the globe and they are hiring new instructors.

I thought companies lay off workers when they are in times of stress, not bring in more?
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Of course they are bringing in all these new instructors and contract students from all around the word. It has to look good on paper for FSI so they won't attempt sell it again. If they sell the academy guess who's going to be the first one out the door. Your fearless leader DG. He is a business man at its best. Theory: Make it look good on paper so they won't sell the school. That will only last for so long. I mean he made the call to kick two students out all the way from China. What's one contract student, who cares right. But another individual out the door. He knows he can get the contract students in the door by 15 and 20+ students per contract. So what's one? If one student was living off campus and was over 21 what rule or policy was broken??:confused: Yet again FlightSafety knows how to take the fun out of flying.

They should go all contract like DG wants it to be and stop dicking around with individual students.

-That's my $.02 on DG.
 
^Wow, you really should go out and get some REAL world experience, maybe take some college economic classes, maybe even get a college degree, prefebly in business.

Then you will understand how business works. Looks good on paper? Are you serious? It's called adapting to market change, which FSA has done.

Contract students are the new wave for American flight schools as long as all the banks are unable to loan out money, therefore, putting FSA in a pretty damn good position since that is where most of their student base comes from and will continue to do so until the banks have the money to loan out again. Do you understand how this works? Do you realize that most American bank's have all their capital tied up in bad mortgages?

Probably not since Mommy paid your way and will continue to do so wherever you decide to take HER money, not yours, next.
 
SatelliteBeachPilot said:
^Wow, you really should go out and get some REAL world experience, maybe take some college economic classes, maybe even get a college degree, prefebly in business.

Then you will understand how business works. Looks good on paper? Are you serious? It's called adapting to market change, which FSA has done.

Contract students are the new wave for American flight schools as long as all the banks are unable to loan out money, therefore, putting FSA in a pretty damn good position since that is where most of their student base comes from and will continue to do so until the banks have the money to loan out again. Do you understand how this works? Do you realize that most American bank's have all their capital tied up in bad mortgages?

Probably not since Mommy paid your way and will continue to do so wherever you decide to take HER money, not yours, next.
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Oh Snap, Jeff telling it how it is!!!!!!!
 
SatelliteBeachPilot said:
^Wow, you really should go out and get some REAL world experience, maybe take some college economic classes, maybe even get a college degree, prefebly in business.

Then you will understand how business works. Looks good on paper? Are you serious? It's called adapting to market change, which FSA has done.

Contract students are the new wave for American flight schools as long as all the banks are unable to loan out money, therefore, putting FSA in a pretty damn good position since that is where most of their student base comes from and will continue to do so until the banks have the money to loan out again. Do you understand how this works? Do you realize that most American bank's have all their capital tied up in bad mortgages?

Probably not since Mommy paid your way and will continue to do so wherever you decide to take HER money, not yours, next.
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If the economy does not turn around quickly, the contracts will end as well. Markets are down around the world. Foreign airlines are finally starting to feel the pinch as well. Several economist believe that 2009 will be really rough for everyone. Let's hope they are wrong.

The following is an article from www.FLTops.com

Air traffic plummets

Robert P. Mark

10/27/2008​
The International Air Transport Association said Friday that air traffic around the globe has taken a severe nose dive. The association of 230 air carriers around the world still believes carriers will see a combined loss of just over $5 billion in 2008 with most of those losses coming at the U.S. airlines, this, despite a recent significant drop in the price of crude oil. For once, many carriers lost money hedging their future fuel purchases because fuel prices have dropped by 50 percent since July. Passenger traffic was down last month by nearly 3 percent. Latin America actually reported a small increase in passenger traffic of 1.7 percent.

Air freight is down as well with IATA reporting a drop of 7.7 percent in September when compared to the same period last year. This represents the largest decline in freight numbers since early 2001. In Asia, carriers there reported a air cargo numbers were down just over 10 percent with Europe down 6.8 percent and the U.S. down 6 percent.

Giovanni Bisignani, IATA's director general said in a Reuter's story that "The worst is likely still to come. We will have a very difficult year." Air France-KLM and British Airways are all warning shareholders that results will be down for the year.

By contrast, many U.S. airlines are reporting that their holiday bookings are strong despite the economy. Of course, part of the reason for som many aircraft being full is realted to the tens of thousands of seats in capacity that have been removed from the system since last summer.
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^That's true. RynoB brings up a good point, pretty soon the money might not be available to foreign students either. Hopefully that market doesn't dissappear too.
 
well the last thing the aviation world needs right now is more pilots out on the streets without work.. so let's hope for the best in the (hopefully) near future.
 
I think we will see an increase in market stability after the election (at least in the U.S.). The reason is, that no matter who is elected, we will have some level of certainty returned to the country once we know who will be our president. The markets have been very volatile the past few weeks, and my unprofessional opinion is that it has been mostly emotionally driven. Once the election is over, people will settle down. I think then we will see a slow, but steady, upward trend in the economy. Hopefully, the rest of the world markets will follow.

I also hope there was some semblance of cohesiveness in my rambling ;)
 
At Paris, where I chose to go is the better choice for me. Like I said before, it's more of a laid back atmosphere...

Okay, so sorry I'm getting into this a bit late, but you're complaining because of crap scheduling and aircraft delays that it took you 6 months to get through step 2. Yet you go to the school that has the "more laid back atmosphere?" For someone who is SO self-motivated to get through training that does not seem like a logical idea.

And I read a lot of complaining about international students getting the priority at FSA. I'm sorry, when was the last time anyone heard a non-foreign accent from a Paris aircraft that wasn't an instructor? Just because it isn't FSA, doesn't mean they don't have a contract with an international program.

With the higher cost at FSA than Paris, are you doing a CISE or CIME course? If you're just tacking on a multi engine commercial add to the end of your training, then I would expect there would be significant savings and price difference than there would be at FSA.

In regards to scheduling, its simple. 75 students in 15 aircraft vs. 275 students in 75 aircraft; planning a schedule for a week out is probably a bit more difficult in the latter scenario.

Besides, if you're so happy in your new school with your Mom paying your bill, then why are you still on a FlightSafety thread trashing the school? Grow up, accept your experience here, and move on. Life is short and aviation is a small world. Besides you've probably only got a Private Certificate, and even though Paris will have you in the front seat of that Gulfstream 450 by Christmas :rolleyes: you're way too early in your career to start burning bridges.

Rant complete. :rawk:
 
Newbie08 said:
At Paris, where I chose to go is the better choice for me. Like I said before, it's more of a laid back atmosphere...

Okay, so sorry I'm getting into this a bit late, but you're complaining because of crap scheduling and aircraft delays that it took you 6 months to get through step 2. Yet you go to the school that has the "more laid back atmosphere?" For someone who is SO self-motivated to get through training that does not seem like a logical idea.

And I read a lot of complaining about international students getting the priority at FSA. I'm sorry, when was the last time anyone heard a non-foreign accent from a Paris aircraft that wasn't an instructor? Just because it isn't FSA, doesn't mean they don't have a contract with an international program.

With the higher cost at FSA than Paris, are you doing a CISE or CIME course? If you're just tacking on a multi engine commercial add to the end of your training, then I would expect there would be significant savings and price difference than there would be at FSA.

In regards to scheduling, its simple. 75 students in 15 aircraft vs. 275 students in 75 aircraft; planning a schedule for a week out is probably a bit more difficult in the latter scenario.

Besides, if you're so happy in your new school with your Mom paying your bill, then why are you still on a FlightSafety thread trashing the school? Grow up, accept your experience here, and move on. Life is short and aviation is a small world. Besides you've probably only got a Private Certificate, and even though Paris will have you in the front seat of that Gulfstream 450 by Christmas :rolleyes: you're way too early in your career to start burning bridges.

Rant complete. :rawk:
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Very nice posting, well said!!

"I'm sorry, when was the last time anyone heard a non-foreign accent from a Paris aircraft that wasn't an instructor?"

I agree, but the foreign students there don't have priority over anyone else. They get scheduled as much as the next guy. I'm just happy that I fly every day and it's a set schedule (M-F 7AM-9AM). No guessing when and what time for the following day. I understand that it's difficult to schedule over 230 students a week out. But the problem is when one or two students fall through the cracks and get overlooked.

By the way. Umm.. nice touch on the overly bright yellow vests!!!:laff:.
 
Its funny how all people that cant cut it at FSA end up at Paris. Its like FSA's trash can. :laff:
 
LS024 said:
Its funny how all people that cant cut it at FSA end up at Paris. Its like FSA's trash can. :laff:
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Who said I couldn't cut it? I left because of scheduling issues. Along with my two roommates for the same reason. They didn't go to Paris. They are at PanAm Academy. Another student completed his private at FSA and went back home to Louisiana because he's 31 years old and didn't have time to be sitting around. Same with a student that was in my Private audit class. She ended up going to her local FBO in Indiana. There are two students currently at FSA while flying at Paris. They are waiting for their loan disbursements to come through and they are leaving as well. So if they have time to fly at another flight school then they, unfortunately, are the few that slipped through the scheduling cracks.

So, I wouldn't say ALL students that leave, or in your words "can't cut it" go to Paris. That's a very misleading statement. You must be a FlightSafety marketing guy or girl, with your misleading statements.

BTW... I see todays schedule didn't come out untill 5:44PM. :whatever:
 
^So....is your mommy going to chaperone you on all your flights and make sure you study when you need to?

Maybe the people at Flight Safety just didn't like you?
 
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