You Are Now Free To Move About (a little later at Southwest)

///AMG said:
I think the hardest part is that our little weather vision app isn't perfect by any means. It often predicts areas of pretty rough turbulence, but half the time it says nothing about areas where we do encounter at least some light continuous. I completely agree that none of you should be placed at risk of injury for any reason. But it's also pretty hard to say conclusively on a lot of days, that it's gonna be perfect or even good, for X amount of time. Our crystal ball is a lot blurrier than that. I get the impression with some FAs that they mistakenly believe that we know exactly when it will start, and when it will end, as if it were some waypoint on our flight plan. Which is totally not the case. On the other hand, it's also pretty hard to justify not offering service on a 5+ hr transcon (that's what my story was from) because there were a lot of pockets of turbulence forecast over the plains/upper midwest. However I also wouldn't be comfortable telling a crew that they *must* do the service if they aren't comfortable.
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Five hours is a bit excessive to not do something haha. At least one service and some water walks or something… I understand completely it can be difficult to anticipate turbulence. I will say that awareness has improved dramatically in the past ten years, though.
 
Ian_J said:
Are you a UA FA? Is it contract related maybe?
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Not since 2017; I’m at one of the other big shops now. But yes, outsider looking in, it sounds like morale has gotten really bad over there. I don’t think it ever recovered from the 2001-2008 era though.
 
derg said:
Tell me you’ve flown with new flight attendants without saying it! :)

Meanwhile, the ones working international will be up slingin’ hash in moderate riding hoverboards.
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True, but they are also incentivized. The quicker they do the service they quicker they get to their breaks. That also translates to longer breaks.
 
///AMG said:
I think the hardest part is that our little weather vision app isn't perfect by any means. It often predicts areas of pretty rough turbulence, but half the time it says nothing about areas where we do encounter at least some light continuous. I completely agree that none of you should be placed at risk of injury for any reason. But it's also pretty hard to say conclusively on a lot of days, that it's gonna be perfect or even good, for X amount of time. Our crystal ball is a lot blurrier than that. I get the impression with some FAs that they mistakenly believe that we know exactly when it will start, and when it will end, as if it were some waypoint on our flight plan. Which is totally not the case. On the other hand, it's also pretty hard to justify not offering service on a 5+ hr transcon (that's what my story was from) because there were a lot of pockets of turbulence forecast over the plains/upper midwest. However I also wouldn't be comfortable telling a crew that they *must* do the service if they aren't comfortable.
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The turbulence predictions on WSI are slightly better than flipping a coin. Slightly. I miss the days of getting above almost all that garbage up in the 40s, and knowing the RNs were gonna do what they had to do regardless of what we did with the sign.
 
I wonder if pax would care a lot less about service being postponed if they were allowed to bring their own (non alcoholic of course) beverages from home instead of having to buy a $7 Diet Coke from the Hudson News shop or hope it’s not bumpy enough so they can get an 8oz cup of soda on their 2 hour flight


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azmedic said:
I wonder if pax would care a lot less about service being postponed if they were allowed to bring their own (non alcoholic of course) beverages from home instead of having to buy a $7 Diet Coke from the Hudson News shop or hope it’s not bumpy enough so they can get an 8oz cup of soda on their 2 hour flight


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Something something 2006 terrorist plot something.

A con job we all fell for and have had to put up with 3-1-1 rule for 18 years now, with no change to the rule, despite an ever changing threat matrix.

100% BS. And a large part of why I was against govt mask mandates. The govt has proven once you give them some power and leeway, like the 3-1-1 rule, it’s staying and not going away.

It’s boinkers I can’t take a sealed water bottle from home. It’s even worse when I had my contact lens solution thrown away in Cancun because I wasn’t in uniform.
 
derg said:
Tell me you’ve flown with new flight attendants without saying it! :)

Meanwhile, the ones working international will be up slingin’ hash in moderate riding hoverboards.
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And the senior ones actually bother calling to check on us!
 
JordanD said:
And the senior ones actually bother calling to check on us!
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Remember, behind most senior FAs is an employee who surpassed the “freshman years” of “I’m special! I’m unique and young and going to travel the world to be celebrated by the locals! I’m going to have all the IG and TikTok followers!” to learn that it can be a grind and clue-in after getting roasted by the rest of the crew for taking up their slack if they’re not working hard.

We have a lot of pilots that go through the same evolution of “look at me! I did something completely ordinary and filmed it against company PED policy!” that finally get that magic phone call from the regional director including their internet usage from the flight dexk.

Footstomp footstomp.
 
derg said:
We have a lot of pilots that go through the same evolution of “look at me! I did something completely ordinary and filmed it against company PED policy!” that finally get that magic phone call from the regional director including their internet usage from the flight dexk.

Footstomp footstomp.
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The stupidest, most ordinary crap they feel they have to film. Like filming “look at me adjusting the seat in the cockpit of the A321”. Or, “look at me filming getting dressed in my pilot uniform and getting on an elevator”

All of which have company identifying items and such.
 
Do some of these people have approval from their employers to do this? It seems like the bigger ones (Big Ern, that one happy guy from United who I forget the name of, as examples) must have done this.....that, or they are living very dangerously
 
Roger Roger said:
The turbulence predictions on WSI are slightly better than flipping a coin. Slightly. I miss the days of getting above almost all that garbage up in the 40s, and knowing the RNs were gonna do what they had to do regardless of what we did with the sign.
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I’ve been finding the turbulence forecasts from NOAA to be considerably more useful and accurate. I don’t know why this is so.
 
///AMG said:
Do some of these people have approval from their employers to do this? It seems like the bigger ones (Big Ern, that one happy guy from United who I forget the name of, as examples) must have done this.....that, or they are living very dangerously
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They’re generally living very dangerously.

Basically, if you’re not Swayne, well you’re not Swayne, put all that • away and log off in the cockpit.
 
derg said:
They’re generally living very dangerously.

Basically, if you’re not Swayne, well you’re not Swayne, put all that • away and log off.
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Have you had anyone try and place a cam on the dash just openly, thinking it’s no big thing?
 
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