Yet another thread about interview techniques.

Alchemy said:
Atlas will probably take anyone with an ATP soon, no offense. They're going to need 500 more pilots on the seniority list within a year or two for this Amazon contract and unless they alter their compensation package (they won't, unless it gets worse) that means they'll need to hire 700-800 to account for attrition.
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It looks like most, if not all 121 sup/ACMIs are hurting in some way shape or form. Kalitta went from a 5,000 hour TT, to 1,500 hours TT requirements in a matter of months. Now they can't fill classes. Atlas will have the same issues unless they get a good contract.


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I think everyone has to take a deep breath for a second. Pilots think you need to do this or that in order to get hired at a major airline. Most are rumors. Listen to people who are giving you FREE advise so you can be successful (hint, there are two people giving great advise).

My advice to clients is to start thinking like a recruiter. If you were in charge of recruiting, what would you like to see to see in a candidate? Stop thinking like an applicant and think like a recruiter. Your eyes will open up about what you are doing and what needs to be changed.

Is the application process a pain? You bet it is. Your application tells a recruiter a story about you and what you are all about. Make sure it looks perfect. My lowest time military hire had 1543 hours flying F-16s. My lowest time civilian hire had 2047 hours, no PIC time. They had very strong qualifications outside of flying.

If you don't have A, B or C maybe you have X, Y and Z. Think about your X, Y, Zs. If you don't know, have someone help you.

Everyone needs to evaluate who they are as a pilot and person. Sell to a recruiter what makes you the best candidate out there. Don't just repeat your resume, tell a great story and capture their attention.

Good luck to everyone. And as always, if you gave a question send us an email or PM.
 
jtrain609 said:
Pretty sure that worked backwards when we flew together since you were always bailing me out of my own stupid decisions.
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Were we even on the same trip together ever? I don't remember a big, steaming pile of incompetence sitting over in the left seat at any point, so...
 
Hacker15e said:
CRM means I don't actually have to be a good pilot since I have someone to help me.
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I know it's sarcasm, but I feel that SRM should be addressed since it seems to be incredibly dismissed, and because @Inverted only flew the chieftain and 99 (meh) in ONE base and thinks he's somehow an authority on freight flying, single pilot flying, whole package authoritarian... :)

Operationally, I've found ZERO difference. I have a properly trained an competent FO in the 120 (the Metro is hit and miss). The overall operation of the flight still needs to be managed and the only difference is that there is an additional crew member to delegate tasks to. The only challenge I've found in a crew environment is trust. Trust that the tasks have been completed and completed correctly, that's it as far as big differences go. In-flight, well most of my time is single pilot in what some would call a ridiculous airplane to operate by yourself. I can't think of a single scenario that would spike my heart rate in the 120 more than the normal ops in the Metro, even if the FO or Captain (since I sit in both seats sometimes) froze up. Other than that, the FOs I fly with are very low time and definitely need coaching at first. It's definitely back to flight instructing at first, sometimes down to the primary level, at least to encourage that that what they already know is transferable, and there is an aspect of letting them go to a certain point before intervening.

So, I DO think there is merit to the single pilot shenanigans, in regards to work load management, that is probably never acknowledged and even dismissed. Whatever I guess! :)

The pass rate for the Metro upgrades at AMF is 60% right now (and has been historically a good training program), with the program being 3 times longer and the entire checkride being conducted in the sim now. 15-20% for direct hires from all back-grounds. The instrument flying with the 6 pack isn't the issue either, but I'm just another Metroliner clown for pointing that out I guess... :) I digress... *gasp* customer service (holy crap, yep, that does exist with freight!) scenarios are the issue.

I did go to WIA last time around. Had fast passes to JB, the D, and AA. Not one said to get any other experience. I went there very unprepared, thinking it was more like casual meet and greet. "Maybe come a little more prepared next time" was the one and only direct response I got. All three thought the training captain and management experience were admirable, despite the freight turbo-trash only flight time.
 
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Aero Crew Solutions said:
I think everyone has to take a deep breath for a second. Pilots think you need to do this or that in order to get hired at a major airline. Most are rumors. Listen to people who are giving you FREE advise so you can be successful (hint, there are two people giving great advise).

My advice to clients is to start thinking like a recruiter. If you were in charge of recruiting, what would you like to see to see in a candidate? Stop thinking like an applicant and think like a recruiter. Your eyes will open up about what you are doing and what needs to be changed.

Is the application process a pain? You bet it is. Your application tells a recruiter a story about you and what you are all about. Make sure it looks perfect. My lowest time military hire had 1543 hours flying F-16s. My lowest time civilian hire had 2047 hours, no PIC time. They had very strong qualifications outside of flying.

If you don't have A, B or C maybe you have X, Y and Z. Think about your X, Y, Zs. If you don't know, have someone help you.

Everyone needs to evaluate who they are as a pilot and person. Sell to a recruiter what makes you the best candidate out there. Don't just repeat your resume, tell a great story and capture their attention.

Good luck to everyone. And as always, if you gave a question send us an email or PM.
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Solid advice.

So many people want to argue with my friend about the shop that he works at or even the people he speaks with that do recruiting at other airlines, it's mind boggling.

But horse…water… why don't he drink? Can't save the world.
 
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Aero Crew Solutions said:
Their webpage is incorrect. Kalitta Air is aware of the issue but have been VERY slow about updating it.

An email reply from management. "Thanks for the heads-up on this. Our required total time is 1,500 hours and I’ll make sure that it’s corrected on the company website"
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But the internet…

:)

Hell, my own page still says I'm a 767 FO.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Although to be fair if one is hungry, it's going to be an expensive meal:

Appetizer - $49 (OBAP member fee)

Main Entree - $150 (Job fair fee, and that's assuming just career fair entrance and nothing extra)

Dessert - $250+ (Hotel + food + expenses)

At this point I won't even go over the Wine list.......


:D
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I like a nice meal out on occasion. So dropping some cheddar for a evening out (your example) that will make lasting memories (career at a great job) isn't a bad thing.
 
scooter2525 said:
I like a nice meal out on occasion. So dropping some cheddar for a evening out (your example) that will make lasting memories (career at a great job) isn't a bad thing.
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Except at a restaurant if you are dropping $150 on a dish, it's guaranteed to be served on your plate and you are going to eat it and enjoy. Whereas above, all that is just to play the game and hope you get a chance to interview by getting an email. Let alone actually getting a job. So the evening out on a dinner doesn't work. The direct analogy here is you want to eat out at Pristine Steaks Restaurant Inc, however you can't get a reservation there. But Cherokee Cruiser Services Inc provides a medium in which you can pay and see people from Pristine Steaks, and MAYBE you may get a reservation for dinner, or maybe not. And even when you get the reservation, it's still not guaranteed you are gonna get to eat steak. Thats the big difference.
 
Derg said:
But the internet…

:)

Hell, my own page still says I'm a 767 FO.
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What's up with that? I remember back in 2002/3 you used to update the main site and even had a jetcareers newsletter. Can we get early 2000s Derg back? :)

And what's a 767 FO? I thought it was 7ER. Or are you writing for the Seggy-types?
 
Inverted said:
It looks like most, if not all 121 sup/ACMIs are hurting in some way shape or form. Kalitta went from a 5,000 hour TT, to 1,500 hours TT requirements in a matter of months. Now they can't fill classes. Atlas will have the same issues unless they get a good contract.


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I don't think that even with lowered minimums to 1500, that Kalitta is going to be competing with the regionals and hiring CFI's, into the right seat.
 
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