Yet another thread about interview techniques.

KLB said:
From what hear, recently there have been more. Back in 07 or so, there were some that went to Alaska out of the BFI base. As of late I'm hearing that Atlas has been in most AMF pilot's sights...sort of like Omni and Allegient was 3 or 4 years ago. There are a bunch of AMF pilots at Allegient right now. All the guys hired at Allegient that I know have upgraded to captains there. Quite honestly, if only a couple of pilots move on to ULCC, LCC, or major from AMF every year...percentage wise (with only a pilot group of about 150 these days) they'd be doing pretty well.
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All the Atlas people that were former AMF were regional or charter in between. If pilots are moving to Atlas from AMF that is great. However a couple pilots moving onto an LCC a year is a terrible percentage rate.
 
Inverted said:
All turbine equipment is certified for single pilot minus the Bro. The 99, 1900 and Metro are flown single pilot, with an FO sprinkled in sometimes. But at no time are those situations treated as, or regarded as a true two crew environment IMHO. 9 out of 10 times the FO in a 99, 1900, or Metro is a Korean FO on a pay to play program. They are given no responsibility, cannot preflight, and they are at a huge deficit experience wise to be a valuable crew member in most cases. I was lucky in that I flew in multi crew airplanes outside of AMF so the transition to a real CRM environment was not too difficult, but I have seen people really struggle with it. A buddy was almost fired from the charter company we left AMF for because of it. Some have a real hard time transitioning. I only personally know one guy at SWA and he has said for years that all the AMF pilots there were not well liked or respected. They had bad attitudes and inflated egos, to which he compared to lots of ex-military single pilot jet guys. I am sure that isn't every freight dawg, because I have flown with lots of great guys that were former AMF or other freight, but you gotta shake that mentality and type of flying off and put it in the past.
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I'll say it again. I've never heard of anyone say anything negative about AMF pilots as a group in general. You do realize that you're a former AMF pilot. Do you think that AMF has negatively affected you CRM wise? @jtrain609 is a former AMF pilot. Is he another one of those bad apples?

I honestly try to judge people on a person by person basis and not what pilot group they formerly belonged to...
 
Inverted said:
All the Atlas people that were former AMF were regional or charter in between. If pilots are moving to Atlas from AMF that is great. However a couple pilots moving onto an LCC a year is a terrible percentage rate.
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Not really considering that it's just 150 pilots over there right now. And most of them have been there less than 2 years.
 
KLB said:
I'll say it again. I've never heard of anyone say anything negative about AMF pilots as a group in general. You do realize that you're a former AMF pilot. Do you think that AMF has negatively affected you CRM wise? @jtrain609 is a former AMF pilot. Is he another one of those bad apples?

I honestly try to judge people on a person by person basis and not what pilot group they formerly belonged to...
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I am not judging an entire group, but I have been judged by others for being AMF, and part of me understands why, and the other part of me gets mad that I get roped into a few bad apples. I said it in the post you quoted and you chose to ignore it, that I have flown with lots of former AMF pilots and they have been amazing, just stating what somebody from SWA told me, because I wanted to know if SWA really did like AMF pilots, or if management was blowing smoke up our butts in indoc, I got my answer. I think @jtrain609 would probably agree with me.
 
KLB said:
I'll say it again. I've never heard of anyone say anything negative about AMF pilots as a group in general. You do realize that you're a former AMF pilot. Do you think that AMF has negatively affected you CRM wise? @jtrain609 is a former AMF pilot. Is he another one of those bad apples?

I honestly try to judge people on a person by person basis and not what pilot group they formerly belonged to...
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I had a great experience at Amflight, and learned a ton. I'm glad I worked there, but I'm also glad I moved on when I did. The pilots I've flown with who put some time in at Amflight have all been excellent pilots.
 
KLB said:
Not really considering that it's just 150 pilots over there right now. And most of them have been there less than 2 years.
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The reason why people stay there less than 2 years is because a 1% rate of leaving to an LCC per year is a terrible percentage rate. My company is about 5% average a month to a legacy, with a few LCCs sprinkled in. I bet the regionals are higher.
 
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Inverted said:
The reason why people stay there less than 2 years is because a 1% rate of leaving to an LCC per year is a terrible percentage rate. My company is about 5% average a month to a legacy, with a few LCCs sprinkled in. I bet the regionals are higher.
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How big is your pilot group and what is the entry level bare minimum experience is it to get hired at your company? 2500hrs or so? That's quite a bit more than the 1200hrs entry level position at AMF. Plus NetJets pilot group is huge compared to AMF. So there's more opportunity to network and the NetJets is more of a recognizable company.

Of course it's higher percentage at the regional. There is a conga line of regional pilots that have been waiting for years for this hiring spree. That's a lot of experienced and we'll networked guys in large pilot groups!

It comes to this for me. I'm not going to get too high or two low on the experience gained at AMF. I'very been gone from there over two years and the experience gained there has afforded me some great opportunities. I haven't really tried the majors or legacies, bit highly doubt that 900hrs or so of jet time will be reason I'm hired or my 8 years if longevity at AMF is going to hurt my chances of having an opportunity to get an interview. If I did try to get an interview at a legacy/major/LCC/ULCC, I'm guessing personallaity and attitude will be more of a factor than what company I flew for in the past.
 
jtrain609 said:
I had a great experience at Amflight, and learned a ton. I'm glad I worked there, but I'm also glad I moved on when I did. The pilots I've flown with who put some time in at Amflight have all been excellent pilots.
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I'm glad you moved on when you did also and to see it all working out for you. You're still a hack though. :)
 
KLB said:
How big is your pilot group and what is the entry level bare minimum experience is it to get hired at your company? 2500hrs or so? That's quite a bit more than the 1200hrs entry level position at AMF. Plus NetJets pilot group is huge compared to AMF. So there's more opportunity to network and the NetJets is more of a recognizable company.

Of course it's higher percentage at the regional. There is a conga line of regional pilots that have been waiting for years for this hiring spree. That's a lot of experienced and we'll networked guys in large pilot groups!

It comes to this for me. I'm not going to get too high or two low on the experience gained at AMF. I'very been gone from there over two years and the experience gained there has afforded me some great opportunities. I haven't really tried the majors or legacies, bit highly doubt that 900hrs or so of jet time will be reason I'm hired or my 8 years if longevity at AMF is going to hurt my chances of having an opportunity to get an interview. If I did try to get an interview at a legacy/major/LCC/ULCC, I'm guessing personallaity and attitude will be more of a factor than what company I flew for in the past.
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We are stating the obvious and are saying the same thing 2 different ways, but it is important when you are talking about taking a job that is going to potentially slingshot your career, and get you quickly to the next job. I know AMF is a small pilot group, I know the barrier for entry is low, but that is a defense as to why you can't easily make the jump to an LCC or legacy with any kind of guarantee. For all the reasons I have previously stated, like a terrible avenue for networking.

Every recruiter I have talked to has echoed that personality and total package matter more than any individual component job wise that you put on a resume. But I would imagine that having a solid foundation that can closely correlate to the type of flying that the company doing the interviewing does, is important. 9,000 hours in a Seneca with a sparkling personality ain't gonna do it.
 
Inverted said:
We are stating the obvious and are saying the same thing 2 different ways, but it is important when you are talking about taking a job that is going to potentially slingshot your career, and get you quickly to the next job. I know AMF is a small pilot group, I know the barrier for entry is low, but that is a defense as to why you can't easily make the jump to an LCC or legacy with any kind of guarantee. For all the reasons I have previously stated, like a terrible avenue for networking.

Every recruiter I have talked to has echoed that personality and total package matter more than any individual component job wise that you put on a resume. But I would imagine that having a solid foundation that can closely correlate to the type of flying that the company doing the interviewing does, is important. 9,000 hours in a Seneca with a sparkling personality ain't gonna do it.
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If that is the case, why hire anyone that does the type of flying that we do over a regional airline first officer? They do more closely to the type of flying that their mainline carriers do.
 
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KLB said:
If that is the case, why hire anyone that does the type of flying that we do over a regional airline first officer? They more closely do the type of flying that their mainline carriers do.
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Regional pilots get hired over all 135 Jet companies at a much higher rate. Multi crew jet or large turboprop 135 is still a great pickup, you're used to the crew environment, you're used to passengers and you probably have a higher level of customer service skills than a regional guy. United told me specifically that they love NetJets pilots because we are so customer service focused, and that is something they are trying to place more emphasis on. We have to take service classes, and everything we do is heavily focused on on the customer, and it sounds like that is a help to us. 135 jet flying is a second best to regional flying as far as relevant experience.
 
Inverted said:
All the Atlas people that were former AMF were regional or charter in between. If pilots are moving to Atlas from AMF that is great. However a couple pilots moving onto an LCC a year is a terrible percentage rate.
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One went to Atlas a month or so ago. Initials SM.

It is actually a real person, not a mythical creature created by rumors. They are at Atlas, and only flew for AMF. :)
 
KLB said:
They more closely do the type of flying that their mainline carriers do.
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I don't think that's a relevant aspect of airline hiring; if this were the case, they'd never hire a single-seat military fighter pilot.
 
Hacker15e said:
I don't think that's a relevant aspect of airline hiring; if this were the case, they'd never hire a single-seat military fighter pilot.
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Hacker15e said:
I don't think that's a relevant aspect of airline hiring; if this were the case, they'd never hire a single-seat military fighter pilot.
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That's the point I was trying to make with my extremely poorly written sentence. :)
 
Atlas will probably take anyone with an ATP soon, no offense. They're going to need 500 more pilots on the seniority list within a year or two for this Amazon contract and unless they alter their compensation package (they won't, unless it gets worse) that means they'll need to hire 700-800 to account for attrition.
 
Alchemy said:
Atlas will probably take anyone with an ATP soon, no offense. They're going to need 500 more pilots on the seniority list within a year or two for this Amazon contract and unless they alter their compensation package (they won't, unless it gets worse) that means they'll need to hire 700-800 to account for attrition.
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They could call me.

I'd be fine if they called me.

I'll keep updating.
 
Hacker15e said:
I don't think that's a relevant aspect of airline hiring; if this were the case, they'd never hire a single-seat military fighter pilot.
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It's not as simple as it is, or it isn't the relevant flying. You have to factor in sheer numbers of the stock in which you're pulling from. Highest number is from the regionals, I think it isn't only because of relevant flying but I think it has something to do with that. I also don't think it's only because that's a sector with a large number of pilots. But it's both of those in some ratio mixed in with a bunch of other things.


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