Yet another Newb

[MikeD]

Ya think newbie ?

In my most civil manner.....you are very green....and lack seasoning.

And if you want to know how I know this...you have but to ask.

And by all means please do....I will attempt to be gracious.

Oh, by the way...I have begun a conversation with Mr Derg.....I believe him to be a man of great dignity.

Make it more than an attempt. This isn't the first time you've been asked, or told.

 

[LTDXER]

Come on Mike......Even you can't object to the above....

This isn't a church social.....Strenuous expression of opinion is to be encouraged....not censored or squashed.

 

[MikeD]

Come on Mike......Even you can't object to the above....

This isn't a church social.....Strenuous expression of opinion is to be encouraged....not censored or squashed.

I'm not here to argue. You've been asked, then you've been told to make your point(s) minus the attacks or ad hominems. Strenuous doesn't need those. And the rest of my mod team doesn't need to be bothered, they have enough to do.

If that's not possible or you don't see the difference between what I'm saying to do and not do, and thus far it hasn't been until one new post, then the ice is thin. If you can, then welcome.

That's it. Just make it happen. No quibbling required.

 

[LTDXER]

Here is my thought for the group......Over moderation of a group forum will suck the life out of it quicker than under moderation.

We're supposedly adults here......Here is another thought.....I have been attacked more often than I have been accused of attacking.....I expect you to review the posts here and administer the same lecture to those who have attacked me.

I am sure you will do that because I have faith that you are a fair man.

 

[MikeD]

Here is my thought for the group......Over moderation of a group forum will suck the life out of it quicker than under moderation.

We're supposedly adults here......Here is another thought.....I have been attacked more often than I have been accused of attacking.....I expect you to review the posts here and administer the same lecture to those who have attacked me.

I am sure you will do that because I have faith that you are a fair man.

My advice is to everyone. I'm not going to go into who did what to who; I'm saying from here on out, everyone be civil. Take an issue on something, hell even have a hard belief and stance. Just do it without attacking one another. As I said, goes for everyone, here on out.

It's not overmoderation, as you aren't being told what to say information-wise, you're being told how to say it (or not say it) in order to maintain a modicum of mutual respect and professionalism.

That is moderation.

Now continue. Issue dead.

 

[SteveC]

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It's not overmoderation, as you aren't being told what to say information-wise, you're being told how to say it (or not say it) in order to maintain a modicum of mutual respect and professionalism.

That is moderation.
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QFT

 

[derg]

Here is my thought for the group......Over moderation of a group forum will suck the life out of it quicker than under moderation.

We're supposedly adults here......Here is another thought.....I have been attacked more often than I have been accused of attacking.....I expect you to review the posts here and administer the same lecture to those who have attacked me.

I am sure you will do that because I have faith that you are a fair man.

Actually the guy you've got to convince would be me. This forums been around for more than fifteen years, I think I know what makes the community I created click.

You've been warned about your behavior and you can either comply or find another community more suitable environment for yourself.

This isn't a negotiation.

 

[LTDXER]

Derg,

You don't have to convince me you have the power to run this group however you please. I accept that.

Also, the following is NOT a negotiation.....It is pleasant discourse

Ok......Then since you created and run the community, you would naturally have access to all site statistics. I looked at prior pages....My impression it is a small community.

You have server bills....Advertising pays for that? Of course, you could be very generous and fund all this out of you own pocket ( for which I would applaud you ). In that case, I would completely understand the rigorous moderation. I stir the pot.....this generates interest....which generates eyeballs and ad revenue. It also will increase the size and vitality of the community over time. But again, perhaps you have no need of that.

I view this subforum and site as a place for new information and discussion...and some of that discussion may get fairly impassioned.

When I started reading this forum, I observed it seems mainly to serve as a networking site for newbies. If that is what is to constitute the essence of the group, then so be it. After all, one way or the other, you are the one paying the bills.

But looking at Dispatcher forums over the Web, most of them are pretty dead. This one seems to have great promise.

Now I understand you object to my posts.....I can see how that might be. I tend to write with a dark passion. This comes from my near decade of being a line Dispatcher. The workaday life of a Dispatcher in not particularly one of roses and unicorns. It is filled with discord and conflict. Between pilots and MX controllers and managers and crew sked, everyone has an agenda. And that agenda can be very hazardous to a Dispatcher's license and career. THAT is a reality that is not being conveyed here. I have attempted to do that. The SOC/OCC/Airline is filled with good people but there are many who will throw you under the bus in a heartbeat. I have tried to convey that. I admit that I am not a professional writer but I do my best to convey the environment. So there is that.

Also I notice the newbies often come in with their individual agenda....and are providing little for the help and opinions that they get from more experienced Dispatchers. I also get the impression so many have the idea..."If I can just get one of the _______ ( Fill in the blank, United, Delta et al ) Dispatchers to hand carry my resume, I am in !!!!!" Eh no.....not the way it works. Aggravating to those of us who have paid their dues as working Dispatchers. Way too much..."How do I quickly and cheaply get licensed and hired at the dream job so I can get the big bucks? " Not enough, what does the job entail and do I have the temperament and talent for it?

I felt I owed you an explanation of my motivation behind the posts.

Again, NOT a negotiation but a fresh approach and perhaps some passion would be valuable to this group.

I have always felt a hardnose approach to life is useful. My posts tend to reflect that.

I await your reply.

 

[LTDXER]

Derg,

Here is why I KNOW you are a rational man !

"Ayn Rand is dead and fodder for college juniors who don't know any better." - Derg

 

[BeReal]

I swore off these forums for many months because of annoying "pot stirrers." Just sticking my toe back in. That's my two cents.

 

[MikeD]

You are trying to characterize passion as an excuse to make
ad hominem attacks in your posts,

My advice is the same: knock off the quibbling and simply follow the instructions given. They aren't difficult and aren't an unreasonable expectation. It's been explained more than once now, in a number of different ways.

Make your contributions without attacking others, or getting attacked. Have a discussion.

This is the part that isn't rocket science.

End of story.

 

[LTDXER]

Read my post to Derg.....Let me know what you think.

 

[LTDXER]

I swore off these forums for many months because of annoying "pot stirrers." Just sticking my toe back in. That's my two cents.

Ok......Let me ask you something ? Why do you object to "pot stirrers" ( which is just another name for a contrary opinion ) ? Why do you find contrary opinions to be annoying ? Do you find them threatening ? Or do you not believe you have the skill to successfully counter what another has written ?

I would really like to know

 

[MikeD]

Read my post to Derg.....Let me know what you think.

I just did let you know. In my response.

For the 5th time: be as passionate as you like. Post information and have discussions. Do those things without making personal attacks on anyone, or receiving personal attacks on yourself. Want to get a message across to people? Coming across as overly abrasive and attacking is not the way to do it. That crosses the line of "passionate".

That's all there is to say. Again, this is NOT a difficult concept. And it applies to everyone.

I don't care about the job, the "why" of it, or any other quibbling attempting to justify the negative behaviors that you're being asked, then told, not to do. Simply don't do it, and there's no issue. Follow what your wrote above, and you will be fine.

End.

 

[SteveC]

I'm not Derg, but I'll put in my $0.02...

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You have server bills....Advertising pays for that? Of course, you could be very generous and fund all this out of you own pocket ( for which I would applaud you ). In that case, I would completely understand the rigorous moderation. I stir the pot.....this generates interest....which generates eyeballs and ad revenue. It also will increase the size and vitality of the community over time. But again, perhaps you have no need of that.

From my perspective as part of the moderation team, NO.

NOT trying to generate eyeballs and ad revenue through pot stirring (and pot stirring is not just contrary opinion). Trying to generate interest (and eyeballs) through presenting useful information and guidance and assistance in a civil manner.

Looking for quality of content here, not noise for noise's sake.

 

[LTDXER]

Yes.....I do understand a direct order.....I will follow orders.

Mike.....Let me ask you this because I want to know....Do you enjoy giving orders ?

I do want to understand you.....Perhaps then you could address ME with less heat ?

How about it? Want to shake virtual hands ?

 

[pljenkins]

Last word.

 

[LTDXER]

I'm not Derg, but I'll put in my $0.02...


From my perspective as part of the moderation team, NO.

NOT trying to generate eyeballs and ad revenue through pot stirring (and pot stirring is not just contrary opinion). Trying to generate interest (and eyeballs) through presenting useful information and guidance and assistance in a civil manner.

Looking for quality of content here, not noise for noise's sake.

Steve, I respectfully disagree.

You ARE getting quite a bit of quality from me.....Thought provoking questions and statements.

I am not making noise for the sake of noise and suggesting I am is being disingenuous.

Here is the impression I am getting from my conversations with the Mods.

You want Discipline and Order.....And of course you do have the power to enforce any policy you want. But again, that is MY opinion. I am personally entitled to it. I suspect this will generate quite a bit of hear from y'all.

Now I have not made a personal attack.....It will be interesting to see if I will now be banned for expressing a personal opinion ( and IDEA ) in a respectful manner.

 

[LTDXER]

Last word.

Jenkins.....That was most cryptic

 

[SteveC]

Don't twist what I wrote. I was not commenting on your posting to date, I was answering your question about whether we wanted "eyeballs and ad revenue" and your proposal that your "stirring the pot" is a way to generate it.