Wow... United and US Airways to Merge

UPSpilot said:
Since ALPA will be the union for the combined USAir and United, ALPA should get the voting results from the USAPA vote and merge the non-USAPA voters into United by relative seniority and they should staple to the bottom the pro-USAPA voters.
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Ahhh, if only that were possible. :D
 
PCL_128 said:
The new UAL MEC Chairman is extremely militant. It is likely that UAL ALPA will push hard for tighter scope restrictions. The UAL pilots will demand it. The E-jets that are littering their ramps in ORD and DEN are really starting to piss them off. I think a restriction to 76 seats is a given. Possibly new limits on the number of airframes, also.
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I dont understand why UAL and even Airways guys would be getting rather upset about the number of E170/E175s and CRJ900s? Do I need to put a sarcasm tag?

Actually UPSpilot here would be a great time to write about how if those planes were limited mainline would need more pilots etc etc... Please inform those who dont understand if you would not mind!
 
meyers9163 said:
I dont understand why UAL and even Airways guys would be getting rather upset about the number of E170/E175s and CRJ900s? Do I need to put a sarcasm tag?
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Unfortunately, you probably do need the sarcasm tag. A lot of regional guys just don't get it. With the increasing number and size of outsourced RJs going to the regionals, there will be fewer and fewer good mainline jobs available to move up to. Outsourcing only benefits one very small group of pilots: regional lifers. Everyone else gets screwed to varying degrees. It may seem cool to fly that E-175 right out of JetU, but it's destroying your career potential. The fewer RJs being outsourced, the better.
 
PCL_128 said:
Unfortunately, you probably do need the sarcasm tag. A lot of regional guys just don't get it. With the increasing number and size of outsourced RJs going to the regionals, there will be fewer and fewer good mainline jobs available to move up to. Outsourcing only benefits one very small group of pilots: regional lifers. Everyone else gets screwed to varying degrees. It may seem cool to fly that E-175 right out of JetU, but it's destroying your career potential. The fewer RJs being outsourced, the better.
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Wait would that not also mean that UAL (all mainline in general) pilots are also being screwed with upgrade later on because instead of more routes, flying, planes etc... when the flying goes to a regional they lose it and therefore not as much of a need for as many pilots at mainline? haha playing into it again.... Probably should place a sarcasm tag again in here....

And just an FYI.... This isnt just the E170/E175s Airdale we are also talking about CRJ900s and the amount of some even 700's!
 
PCL_128 said:
Unfortunately, you probably do need the sarcasm tag. A lot of regional guys just don't get it. With the increasing number and size of outsourced RJs going to the regionals, there will be fewer and fewer good mainline jobs available to move up to. Outsourcing only benefits one very small group of pilots: regional lifers. Everyone else gets screwed to varying degrees. It may seem cool to fly that E-175 right out of JetU, but it's destroying your career potential. The fewer RJs being outsourced, the better.
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It is!!! My avatar proves it!!!
 
Yes, even the -700s are a problem. When I was first hired at Pinnacle just a little over six years ago, Northwest was still flying around about a dozen DC-9-10s. Anyone remember how many seats those had? Yep, just 78 seats. But the Captains were making about $180/hr to fly them. Kind of shows you just how far we've fallen, and just how damaging the RJ outsourcing can be.
 
I think if things dont get better soon, we are all going to be coworkers.
" mammm how can I help you? Oh you want to buy a ticket, well PCL_128, UPSpilot, meyers9163, BobDDuck, or myself would be happy to assist you." :sarcasm: :laff:
 
Anybody know if Bob Johnson still wants to run an airline?

http://bet.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=132

News Releases
Press Statement by DCAir CEO Robert Johnson About United, USAirways Merger Agreement


The following statement by DCAir CEO Robert Johnson concerning the United and USAirways merger agreement was released today:


I am pleased that United Airlines and USAirways have agreed to submit to the Justice Department for full review the proposed merger of the two airlines.


The merger, if approved, would create DCAir, a major new airline operating out of Reagan National Airport, serving 45 cities, flying 3 million passengers and generating over 460 million dollars in annual revenue. In addition, DCAir will become the nation's first African-American owned airline of this magnitude and scope. DCAir will have as a minority partner American Airlines, which will strengthen its ability to compete against other airlines as a cost effective and low fare carrier.
I believe that the merger as presented is in the best interests of the flying public, and I urge the Justice Department to approve it.


Equally as important, I urge the Bush Administration to recognize this unique opportunity to bring about minority ownership in the nation's airline industry in the form of DCAir. DCAir has the support of elected officials from both political parties and the unanimous endorsement of the Congressional Black Caucus.


In addition, I am announcing in the form of a letter that has been sent to the Mayor, DC City Council and delegate Eleanor Holmes-Norton that DCAir will locate its corporate headquarters in Washington, DC. This will result in the majority of over 1,200 DCAir employees working in the District of Columbia.
 
With all these mergers, the pax announcements will sound a little somthing like this.. " thanks for flying delta-west airlink operated by mesaba" or "thank you for flying United Airways express operated by ASA, a subsidiary of Skywest" :laff:
 
FrankiegPilot said:
With all these mergers, the pax announcements will sound a little somthing like this.. " thanks for flying delta-west airlink operated by mesaba" or "thank you for flying United Airways express operated by ASA, a subsidiary of Skywest" :laff:
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Been that way for a long time. Only a couple or 3 wholly owned regionals now. I know an ex Mesa capt who told me he had to write it down so he wouldnt dork the announcements up.
 
Maurus said:
I am waiting for American Airlines and Continental to start talking about mergers. Why not?
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Well, maybe American will but not Continental.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120933331731448075.html?mod=hps_us_pageone

Abruptly ending talks with United Airlines parent UAL Corp., Continental Airlines Inc. said it would stay independent for the time being despite efforts by rival carriers to merge.

The Houston-based airline didn't disclose details of talks in its statement late Sunday and didn't name potential partners. But its move was seen as a rebuke to Chicago-based UAL, which has been trying to interest Continental in a marriage for years.

UAL had recently entered formal merger talks with Continental, said people familiar with the matter, giving UAL the impression that it had the inside track on striking a deal with one of the U.S. industry's healthiest carriers.

In a bulletin to employees, Continental Chief Executive Officer Larry Kellner said Continental has "significant cultural, operational and financial strengths" that "would be placed at risk in a merger with another carrier in today's environment."

As far as United and US Airways goes, it didn't pass muster the first time, so why do they think it will the second time around? And why would US Airways be so stupid as to try to undertake a new merger when they are nowhere near close to realizing the synergies they thought they'd see from the first one?
 
granlistillo said:
Been that way for a long time. Only a couple or 3 wholly owned regionals now. I know an ex Mesa capt who told me he had to write it down so he wouldnt dork the announcements up.
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Yea it has, but not names like delta-west (meaningdelta/northwest) and United Airways (meaning united/us airways).
Its gonna be very interesting to see what happens the rest of this year.
 
I was pretty sure that Delta NW was going forward with Delta. Is that not right? I am guessing that United would have higher name recognition and would make better biz sense.
Although I personally am biased towards US Airways.
 
You know with all the struggles and potentials for consolidation in the news lately, I wonder how the upstart air taxi companies like DayJet are doing, or for that matter, Eclipse, who manufactures the 500's.
 
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