Working in aviation when you need certain days off for religious observances

Derg said:
The "wifely area" is going to look way scarier than the baby book alludes to, she's going to cuss at you, speak ill of one of your parents, then it's going to come out. Once they get it wiped down, pat yourself on the back at your beautiful creation!

See, I just saved you a job search. :)
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The solution to being in that situation is very easy Doug. It involves simple logic. When in the delivery room and she's in labor, with all her anger, foul language, and attempts to be mad and viscious towards you. All you have to do is explain to her that "this is what you wanted, honey", and all will be well. The logic will sink in.




At least that's what I've heard.........
 
At least airlines aren't doing stupid crap like the military is doing, with accomodations to the uniform for specific religion "needs". Military allowing wearing of headscarfs or whatever.......religious materials that are not in any way part of the uniform. And since you joined the military knowing what the uniform is, that's what you should be allowed to wear with no special religious accomodation. But, since the US military has turned into one big social experiment, I'm not surprised by nearly anything anymore.
 
MikeD said:
At least airlines aren't doing stupid crap like the military is doing, with accomodations to the uniform for specific religion "needs". Military allowing wearing of headscarfs or whatever.......religious materials that are not in any way part of the uniform. And since you joined the military knowing what the uniform is, that's what you should be allowed to wear with no special religious accomodation. But, since the US military has turned into one big social experiment, I'm not surprised by nearly anything anymore.
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I heard about not being able to curse during basic, stress indexes, all sorts of touchy-feelie stuff.

Hot damn man, what would General Washington think? :)
 
MikeD said:
The solution to being in that situation is very easy Doug. It involves simple logic. When in the delivery room and she's in labor, with all her anger, foul language, and attempts to be mad and viscious towards you. All you have to do is explain to her that "this is what you wanted, honey", and all will be well. The logic will sink in.




At least that's what I've heard.........
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I have two kids. I said that while she was in labor. It doesn't work. If you ever want to see what Satan really looks like.....
 
MikeD said:
The solution to being in that situation is very easy Doug. It involves simple logic. When in the delivery room and she's in labor, with all her anger, foul language, and attempts to be mad and viscious towards you. All you have to do is explain to her that "this is what you wanted, honey", and all will be well. The logic will sink in.
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Seems like that would be a good time to say; Sorry honey, I have to go to work.
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
I probably going to leave my current job because I want to be home for the birth of my first child. It isn't that the days shouldn't matter to you. It is just that in aviation the days that matter to you don't matter to anyone else.
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My son was suppose to be a Valentine's day baby. I had an overnight to MCO on a January 29th and the morning of the 30th while in MCO I got the call from her that he was not waiting til Feb 14 and off to the hospital she was going.
 
Derg said:
Fashion
Money
Relationship
Nutrition
Sock colors
Betting the "center field" on a craps table

Well, that's just for starters!
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Hey! A lot of us actually DO know a thing or three about nutrition. We're not all a bunch of fat asses (can you say "asses" on here? :)).

But for real, I literally did multiple 10 hour crossings with a cat who was telling me aaaall the best ways to beat craps at the various Polar layovers we have. He says he almost never loses. Aaaaaalmost never. ;)
 
MikeD said:
The solution to being in that situation is very easy Doug. It involves simple logic. When in the delivery room and she's in labor, with all her anger, foul language, and attempts to be mad and viscious towards you. All you have to do is explain to her that "this is what you wanted, honey", and all will be well. The logic will sink in.




At least that's what I've heard.........
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Generally, from my experience, being right only compounds the error.

It's not about the nail.

Richman
 
For FAA controllers per the contract, religious leave shall be granted unless staffing doesn't permit.

In practice Sunday's are more than fully staffed due to 25% differential, Fridays and Saturdays however...
 
I can tell you that working at a certain regional, owned by a major, that there is no special treatment for holidays. Part of the application is working weekends or holidays.

That being said, those that have religious days of the week, or holidays (specific dates in the year), and the group that builds schedules works with them on bidding to make sure their bids honor those days off. Some folks need Saturday's off, and after some work (and seniority), they get all of them with conditional bids down to reserve to ensure it. Some are deadset on Easter and/or Christmas, and bids are created to make that happen, even if it's a line type (high-speeds/illegals/constant duty overnights or reserve to honor it). Airlines run 24/7/365.

If you happen to work with others (a scheduling group), many times there are ways to make it work, that group can assist in achieving the days you need. The company itself can't change the schedule to accommodate religion. In the end, ⅓ of the pilot group will need to work each day to cover the operation, at a minimum. Realistically it's 50-60% each and every day.
 
Derg said:
Betting the "center field" on a craps table
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When I see someone bet the field I know they're either A) there to have fun and don't gaf or B) have no idea what they're doing. Likely A+B.

dasleben said:
Hey! A lot of us actually DO know a thing or three about nutrition. We're not all a bunch of fat asses (can you say "asses" on here? :)).

But for real, I literally did multiple 10 hour crossings with a cat who was telling me aaaall the best ways to beat craps at the various Polar layovers we have. He says he almost never loses. Aaaaaalmost never. ;)
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If anyone says they win at a game that at best is a 50.85% house edge, well... they're just bad at math. You can't possibly win long term, and it's extraordinarily likely you wont win short term either. Mostly because to even to have the .85% house edge you have to have incredible discipline.
 
You can get craps down to a 0.021% house edge at some casinos with 100x odds. Even on the strip, you can get the edge down to 0.374% playing full 3,4,5x odds. At that low an edge playing a $10 table, the casino is paying you to drink. Just be disciplined and play nothing but pass, come, and full odds.
 
I gotta be honest -- it really bugs me when people try to get preferential treatment regardless if it's religion or some other reason. There is a seniority list and bidding procedures for a reason. On the ATC side, this particular story doesn't involve religion but still preferential treatment. We bid our days off first and then are essentially on a crew. Then that crew goes to bid their first two weeks of annual leave together in what we call primetime leave. The most senior person goes first and then down the list. At my facility, we have 5 on a crew. So, this girl who's junior on her crew, goes up to all the other people on her crew and has the balls to give them a sad story and try to guilt them into all passing on the week of Christmas because she's pregnant and really wants to have her first Christmas with her baby. Her baby which will be 6 months old at the time and sleeping the entire day. I can't imagine going to other people and saying essentially, "Hey, I know you've got kids too and I know you're more senior than me but won't you please, please, please, please, please pass for me?"

She's lucky I'm not on her crew because I would have bid off Christmas and slept very well that night. Besides the paper pushers, this is a 24/7/365 operation regardless of what position you're in. It's no secret. You're going to miss birthdays, BBQ's, holidays -- if you don't like it then go find something else to do besides try to find ways to get preferential treatment and screw over people who have put in their time.
 
dasleben said:
Hey! A lot of us actually DO know a thing or three about nutrition. We're not all a bunch of fat asses (can you say "asses" on here? :)).

But for real, I literally did multiple 10 hour crossings with a cat who was telling me aaaall the best ways to beat craps at the various Polar layovers we have. He says he almost never loses. Aaaaaalmost never. ;)
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Oh I know.

There's really no way to "beat" anything in Vegas, only minimize the house advantage significantly.

Believe me, if there was a key to beating craps, I'd probably be drunk in Vegas playing it right now.

I love craps.

"Lets gooooOOoOOooo SHOOOOOTA! Shooter McGavin!"
 
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ATN_Pilot said:
You can get craps down to a 0.021% house edge at some casinos with 100x odds. Even on the strip, you can get the edge down to 0.374% playing full 3,4,5x odds. At that low an edge playing a $10 table, the casino is paying you to drink. Just be disciplined and play nothing but pass, come, and full odds.
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Solid advice.

Plus 40x the minimum odds or don't bother.

Know when you've had enough because it ain't coming back.

Know when you're making money, it might be your peak before it statistically starts the trend back down.

Your big win may be $5 for the night, it may be $2000-plus. This is the hard part.

Throw the odds out there, trust the math or don't play.
 
Derg said:
Oh I know. There's really no way to "beat" anything in Vegas, only minimize the house advantage significantly. Believe me, if there was a key to beating craps, I'd probably be drunk in Vegas playing it right now. I love craps. "Lets gooooOOoOOooo SHOOOOOTA! Shooter McGavin!"
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You can still beat blackjack at the right table and casino, but only playing the low limit games. Start playing black chips and they'll ban your ass real quick!
 
ATN_Pilot said:
You can get craps down to a 0.021% house edge at some casinos with 100x odds. Even on the strip, you can get the edge down to 0.374% playing full 3,4,5x odds. At that low an edge playing a $10 table, the casino is paying you to drink. Just be disciplined and play nothing but pass, come, and full odds.
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Don't Pass is a winner.....
 
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