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Chris_Ford

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So I was sitting in class today at the lovely Purdue University and I was being introducted into Aviation Technology 400 "Aviation Professional Issues". Short story even shorter, it's a "Here's how you interview" insult class.

Anyway, while I was sitting in the class, my professor informed me that, "If you're willing to work for Skyway, send me your resume in the next week. They're searching for pilots and we have set up an arrangement with them that they'll take you with 350TT and however much multi you have. Even if you don't have the TT, let me know, I was able to get a Purdue grad to ASA with the Purdue minimum (Which I believe is around 240TT, 20ME), and he's now a captain.

Now this was flat out scary to me and the two other individuals I was sitting with (and Evan, a JCer, told me not to put this on here because it would cause inevitable havoc, I disagree). Do you think if the general public knew that people with THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY HOURS OF TOTAL TIME and LESS THAN 25 MULTI are flying hundreds of people around a day? Dateline NBC could have a field day with this.

A sad state of current affairs or just further proof of bar lowering (or both?)

Bottom line is, I'm going to steer clear of MKE for a while :)
 
yea.. maybe in an anonymous email, you should send something over to dateline....hmmmm...how better to bring info to the public, i mean we all know they watch television like 80% of the time they're home! if they heard about that and what the job is really like, it might open some eyes.. but then again, something like that might also be futile and have no effect.

question is: how much are they wanting to pay those new cadets? or do they want the cadets to pay them?
 
Kristie said:
question is: how much are they wanting to pay those new cadets? or do they want the cadets to pay them?
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Standard pay, no idea what the training contract (if there is one) is like. $19/hr isn't bad though, if you're coming from a school where instructors are paid $7/hr :(
 
ASA has been taking low time guys from FSA for years. This isn't news and I'm not surprised. It almost sounds like the bottom of the barrel is getting scraped. What happens next?

By the way, why does Evan fear havoc? Do you think something like this puts Purdue in a bad light?
 
Sounds logical to me - they are having trouble getting people from other flying backgrounds with more hours that cut their teeth CFIing etc. and feel they are worth more than the 18K they want to pay them - so they get some misguided soul right out of school/training that cringes at the thought of CFIing or networking for other tough jobs with the shiny jet syndrome who'd gladly take the job. Instead of making them PFT they'll just make them their indentured servant with low wages and a training contract.
 
That sounds pretty insane...I know a guy that is in class now at Air Wisconsin with about 300 TT and 15 ME...he was CRJ typed though, if that makes a difference...what are other people's views on this? This seems like a growing trend in the industry. But in either case, the guy in the left seat should have been around long enough and know what they are doing...hopefully
 
Surprising news. Quite a few Skyway FOs and CA upgrades came by the ATP office to take their written tests or get their ATP rating. They mentioned Skyway had put a couple of 300 hour pilots in one of their new-hire classes during the summer and it ended badly in systems class.
 
flyTotheSky said:
That sounds pretty insane...I know a guy that is in class now at Air Wisconsin with about 300 TT and 15 ME...he was CRJ typed though, if that makes a difference...what are other people's views on this? This seems like a growing trend in the industry. But in either case, the guy in the left seat should have been around long enough and know what they are doing...hopefully
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300TT with a type rating.....What good is that type with relatively no experience. :confused:
 
Joe Q. Public does not care, as long as his roundtrip ticket to Columbus is still $75.

These 300 hour FO's will undoubtedly struggle for the first few months, but they'll get the hang of it after awhile. It's probably a good sign, if anything....pilots with experience are not taking jobs that pay next to nothing. The carrot of employment at a major airline within 5 years is no longer realistic for the majority of regional newhires.

Bottom line, if you are making more money instructing, flying freight, charter, etc than you would be as an FO at a regional, you probably shouldn't be taking a reginal job. I took one because I couldn't break 20k as an instructor, didn't have 135 mins and it represented a significant improvement in QOL. I had about triple that amount of time when I was hired into an RJ....yes I made mistakes, but I can't imagine being too much better off after an additional 1000 hours dual given in a 172.
 
flyTotheSky said:
I know a guy ...with about 300 TT and ... CRJ typed
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I would like to know how he got around 14 CFR 61?
(C) Have at least 2,000 hours of flight time, of which 500 hours must be in turbine-powered airplanes of the same class as the airplane for which the type rating is sought;
(D) Have at least 500 hours of flight time in the same type of airplane as the airplane for which the type rating is sought; or
(E) Have at least 1,000 hours of flight time in at least two different airplanes requiring a type rating.

If a person doesn't meet the above items they would have a restriction for 25 hours of SOE on the type rating.
 
NJA_Capt said:
I would like to know how he got around 14 CFR 61?
(C) Have at least 2,000 hours of flight time, of which 500 hours must be in turbine-powered airplanes of the same class as the airplane for which the type rating is sought;
(D) Have at least 500 hours of flight time in the same type of airplane as the airplane for which the type rating is sought; or
(E) Have at least 1,000 hours of flight time in at least two different airplanes requiring a type rating.

If a person doesn't meet the above items they would have a restriction for 25 hours of SOE on the type rating.
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They didn't. I'm sure he just has the restriction. What a joke man; a 300 hour pilot with no turbine experience, with a CRJ type. That's just funny.
 
jonnyb said:
They didn't. I'm sure he just has the restriction.
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Most of them say something like

THIS CERTIFICATE IS SUBJECT TO PILOT-IN-COMMAND LIMITATION FOR CL-65.

I don't get it. What exactly is the type rating doing if you don't meet the requirments of PIC? Even if you have a type, you are still going to have to go through indoc/systems and sim training, in essence learning the same things again.
 
You think 300TT is low....as I said my instructor's friend.....20 years old....250TT, and he's an F/O on the CRJ for Mesa....he's also flying the CRJ-900 (he's based in PHX)...why I specifically mention that aircraft is just the simple fact that you have someone second in command with 250TT on a RJ that fits almost 100 people on it....I'm not gunna sit here and write about how scary that it or whatever....but it kinda gets my attention.....has he even been in IMC:confused:
 
I reject the notion that a 1000 hour airline pilot is significantly 'safer' than a 250 hour one. The data just do not bear this out. Seems to make sense on the surface, but it's more speculation than science.You hear this theory primarily from the mainline set, who, embittered by what they see as "Shiny Jet Syndrome", are more concerned with the low pay the young guys are (stupidly) willing to take than thier flight hours and are looking for a good, solid 'fear factor' to decry all the undercutting.
 
CapnJim said:
I reject the notion that a 1000 hour airline pilot is significantly 'safer' than a 250 hour one. The data just do not bear this out. Seems to make sense on the surface, but it's more speculation than science.You hear this theory primarily from the mainline set, who, embittered by what they see as "Shiny Jet Syndrome", are more concerned with the low pay the young guys are (stupidly) willing to take than thier flight hours and are looking for a good, solid 'fear factor' to decry all the undercutting.
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But i would think with the more time you log the more experience you get no?

Also from what some people say on here, it's like flying the plane by yourself?
 
supercell86 said:
You think 300TT is low....as I said my instructor's friend.....20 years old....250TT, and he's an F/O on the CRJ for Mesa . . .
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You certainly do make a point of adding this to every post . . .
 
As long as you sling out low air fares, the general public doesn't care, trust me.

You can crash a full A-380 full of people into the side of a mountain but if there's a $85 air fare and 'friends fly free' down to MCO, they'll lap it up like a cat does milk.
 
Bigey said:
But i would think with the more time you log the more experience you get no?

Also from what some people say on here, it's like flying the plane by yourself?
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True, the experience level of a higer time pilot is useful, but is 1000 hours of piston time significantly useful than 250 when upgrading to a 20 ton, pressurized, swept-wing, transonic turbojet? It may be measurable but I contend that it is not statistically significant. As a case in point, there was a guy in my new hire class who had just the mins, 600/100, and he was one of the best students in the class. I had more than double his TT and more than quadrupe his ME- am I statistically safer? I don't think so. (Yeah, yeah, no smart comments about my skillz- I'm tryin' to make a point here :p) Again, it's all about the Benjamins. Would all the mainline guys be in such a hubbub if the newhires were getting paid properly and the regionals weren't chipping away at thier contracts? Again, I don't think so.

Every ears-wet jet FO is worthless for a while. It goes away quickly.
 
CapnJim said:
I reject the notion that a 1000 hour airline pilot is significantly 'safer' than a 250 hour one. The data just do not bear this out. Seems to make sense on the surface, but it's more speculation than science.You hear this theory primarily from the mainline set, who, embittered by what they see as "Shiny Jet Syndrome", are more concerned with the low pay the young guys are (stupidly) willing to take than thier flight hours and are looking for a good, solid 'fear factor' to decry all the undercutting.
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Absolutly...that's why its not really scary it just amazes the hell outa me! Probably because I could be flying one of those RJ's very soon if I wanted, but I don't have SJS that bad...yet....
 
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