Will United renew contract with Mesa?

They don't make the dash-200 anymore, if I'm not mistaken. You could get a bunch of 100s easy, but those won't work for the Denver routes very well.
Actually I was just up at Bombardier last week and customers can still order the Q200 and Q300 Next Gen a/c. When I was in PHX the past two days I dropped by Crystal Palace to visit some friends. UA has till the end of October if it wishes to cancel the Dash-8 and CR200 contracts. The company is trying to drum up credit in order to get more CR700's which is why UA has put one RFP out for CR700 a/c. The other RFP they tell me is for Dash/Q400 flying. MAG has been unable to live up to the last ammendment to their contract by not being able to swap out the CR200's for CR700's. From what my friends tell me the company has their finger on the bankrutcy trigger. If UA goes through and cancels, they'll(MAG) pull the trigger. Of course JO constantly remind the employees that there's no way they'll lose the contract and not to worry. Classic Jonny!:rolleyes:
 
Its disturbing to think one is hoping their airline will grow due to anothers failure.


So I guess it's wrong to hope my airline grows and expands at the expense of all the regionals that did just that at our expense 6-8 years ago?:cool:
 
So I guess it's wrong to hope my airline grows and expands at the expense of all the regionals that did just that at our expense 6-8 years ago?:cool:

No, for a regional airline pilot to hope their gain is due to anothers failure is what I was getting at. However, to think that the flights from ATL-OAL, or the CLT-GSP routes that barely have 50 people on them, should be placed back with mainline equipment would also be as foolish. There's always going to be a need for the feed into hubs. However if the routes such as SLC-PIT or PHL-DFW are not profitable under mainline equipment perhaps they should just cease those flights.....
 
Actually I was just up at Bombardier last week and customers can still order the Q200 and Q300 Next Gen a/c. When I was in PHX the past two days I dropped by Crystal Palace to visit some friends. UA has till the end of October if it wishes to cancel the Dash-8 and CR200 contracts. The company is trying to drum up credit in order to get more CR700's which is why UA has put one RFP out for CR700 a/c. The other RFP they tell me is for Dash/Q400 flying. MAG has been unable to live up to the last ammendment to their contract by not being able to swap out the CR200's for CR700's. From what my friends tell me the company has their finger on the bankrutcy trigger. If UA goes through and cancels, they'll(MAG) pull the trigger. Of course JO constantly remind the employees that there's no way they'll lose the contract and not to worry. Classic Jonny!:rolleyes:

That's what I've heard. Although about the CRJ7s, they still have to bid on the flying. Just because they get more CRJ7s doesn't mean they'll get the RFP. Did they also say anything about the problems with a regional BK since UA/DAL/Airways can take away the contracts?
 
That's what I've heard. Although about the CRJ7s, they still have to bid on the flying. Just because they get more CRJ7s doesn't mean they'll get the RFP. Did they also say anything about the problems with a regional BK since UA/DAL/Airways can take away the contracts?
Not really. If JO can drum up credit/cash to lease more CR700's then it would be to comply with their current contract ammendment and not the RFP. I'm sure he's got a bid in there as well, but his main focus is to comply with the contract he has and keeping it versus loosing it. If they don't loose the contract, there will be no award for the RFP.
 
From Mesa's 10-Q

"We currently operate 26 CRJ-200s, 20 CRJ-700s and 10 Dash-8 aircraft for United Airlines, Inc ("United") pursuant to a code-share agreement. Under the terms of such agreement, 26 CRJ-200s terminate in April 2010 (United has certain renewal rights to extend for five years by giving 180 days notice) and 10 Dash-8s terminate in July 2013 but can be terminated early by United in April 2010 upon six months prior notice. The 26 CRJ-200 and 10 Dash-8 aircraft represent approximately 18% of the Company's revenues. Although we have early return rights for 8 CRJ-200 aircraft currently flying for United, there are significant lease return costs associated with these aircraft. In addition, we have substantial aircraft lease obligations beyond April 2010 on the remaining United CRJ-200 fleet. If the CRJ-200 flying and Dash-8 flying is not extended, no assurance can be given that we will be able to place these aircraft in revenue-generating service in a timely manner, or at all, or sublease these aircraft at or near the lease reimbursement rates in the United code-share agreement. If this occurs, the inability to timely redeploy such aircraft and/or sublease such aircraft at favorable lease reimbursement rates would have a material adverse impact on our financial condition and results of operations. In the absence of obtaining additional capital to fund our operations through equity or debt financings, asset sales, consensual restructuring of the aircraft leases, extend United CRJ-200 and Dash-8 flying, or placing the aircraft with another carrier pursuant to a revenue guarantee contract, our cash flows from operations and available working capital will be insufficient to meet our future capital requirements. No assurance can be given that any future equity, debt or other financings will be successful or otherwise available on acceptable terms, or at all, or that we will be successful in reaching a consensual restructuring of our aircraft leases. "
 
What the heck?! Did the 10-Q use the word "renewal"? Clearly whoever at Mesa wrote that needs to read this thread to understand its NOT a "renewal".
 
hah

So, Mesa's -200 flying is done April 2010, unless United "renews" with 180 day notice. 30 days and counting.
 
Starting today, UA has to give 180 days notice for the cancellation....

Mesa 10-Q said:
Under the terms of such agreement, 26 CRJ-200s terminate in April 2010 (United has certain renewal rights to extend for five years by giving 180 days notice)

Actually looks like it will be terminated, in April 2010, unless United provides the 180 day notice to renew.

The clock is counting.
 
Under the terms of such agreement, 26 CRJ-200s terminate in April 2010 (United has certain renewal rights to extend for five years by giving 180 days notice) and 10 Dash-8s terminate in July 2013 but can be terminated early by United in April 2010 upon six months prior notice.

This part seems to be what everyone is trying to interpret. The CRJ200 terminates in April2010 unless United extends. The Dash terminates in July2013 but united can terminate as early as April 2010 by giving 6 month notice.

NOW....the other piece of the puzzle is United's request for proposals whose time frame and equipment coincide with the termination of the Mesa's contract.
 
Actually looks like it will be terminated, in April 2010, unless United provides the 180 day notice to renew.

The clock is counting.

Yep...We may not know ANYTHING till pushing up on that date. Do you think if 2 months from know United said, "wel'll renew the CRJ flying," that Mesa would say "Hold on! We need 6 months notice!"
 
Yeah that 180 day deal just seems like a tactic to get things moving in negotiations for new deals. As if anyone really had a lot of options to reallocate their flying right now
 
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