ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
I never said I live by that saying, I just asked why you thought that. Although I am a big supporter of the monkey suit. Do you feel you would perform worse with it on?
Why wear the monkey suit?
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amorris311
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You're right. That's why a lot of people ditch the uniform and where a shirt and tie to check rides. Glad you and I are on the same page regarding the uniform.
Roger Roger
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I'd rather be comfortable. Taken fed rides in everything from shirt and tie (stupid impractical and borderline unsafe in Texas in the summer in a Cessna) to torn, stained jeans and hoodie (just came out of working mx and no time to change). I feel much more comfortable in comfortable clothes (duh).
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
Cool, I'd rather worry about other stuff than what I am wearing. I leave that crap for my wife to stress over. Makes life easy with a uniform and I am an adult that can deal with things that are required, regardless of how much I don't like them and don't affect safety. Which in this case I do like the uniform but just using it as an example.
O and I took checkrides in the summer in FL in a shirt and tie, whoopdee doo.
Jeans and a hoodie? Really?
Good night!
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Roger Roger
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Really.
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
Fify.
SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
I've worn the uniform during my sims.
Makes the go home leg that much quicker to attain.
Makes the go home leg that much quicker to attain.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
I've STILL yet to see a single rational reason that dressing up like Horatio Hornblower is either useful or necessary.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
Nah, I pay more to ride on Delta. I just avoid that french jet that a certain someone flies.
Haha. You know I'm just messing with ya!
Nark
Macho Superpilot
Funny anecdote, that's not really funny.
We wear ACU colored(patterned?) 2 piece flight suits in the army as to not alienate the troops we directly support.
"See we look like you, but completely different"
The onsie flight suit I wore in the Marine Corps and every other service uses for flight (read fire retardant protective clothing) doesn't seem to alienate their aviators.
I'm with @Roger Roger , comfort matters. But where he is flying is much different then rolling from the sim and into the jumpseat on your way home.
We wear ACU colored(patterned?) 2 piece flight suits in the army as to not alienate the troops we directly support.
"See we look like you, but completely different"
The onsie flight suit I wore in the Marine Corps and every other service uses for flight (read fire retardant protective clothing) doesn't seem to alienate their aviators.
I'm with @Roger Roger , comfort matters. But where he is flying is much different then rolling from the sim and into the jumpseat on your way home.
z987k
Well-Known Member
If they actually looked good. I'd be all about it regardless of any rational. I don't know if I've ever seen an American carrier with a good looking uniform. Or maybe they would if they were all tailored and the guy wearing it wasn't 50-100lbs overweight.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
Because otherwise I won't be getting a paycheck. Sure, I can work at some place that doesn't care what I wear, but they aren't gonna pay me what I'm making now. Don't like the uniform requirements? Don't apply to the company that has them. Simple.
z987k
Well-Known Member
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
I think that's you. Why? Because you guys seem to think that the pilots are the ones who choose to wear a uniform. In case you are not aware, that is management's decision. They decide the uniform requirements. Some have lax requirements, some have strict requirements. Why? Who knows or cares. The requirements are known before you go there. Don't like em? Don't apply.Uh...
Say an airline wants it's pilots to dress like Bozo the Clown, if the pay is high enough pilots will do it. Not all pilots, and that's OK. Do I like the uniform I'm wearing? Don't really care, one way or the other. Do I like the 200K/year paycheck as an FO I made last year, you bet I do! Go ahead and laugh at me while I walk through the terminal. Roll your eyes and mutter, "Look, another asshat double breasted van admiral." I'll take that all the way to the bank.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
You see what you want to see. Plenty of rational reasons have been provided.
z987k
Well-Known Member
I should post the same image again. You're quoted Borris' post and built an argument based on nothing he said. There's no rational reason to have a monkey suit on to fly an airplane. Provide me with an example as to how your clothing helps you fly an airplane.
For example, firefighters wear flame retardant clothing when they fight a fire. That is clothing that has a reason to wear on a job. I'm pretty sure Borris wasn't talking about how it looks.
Maybe we should wear these.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
We've already been over this multiple times. You simply refuse to listen because you don't like the answer:
Airplane goes off the end of an icy runway, slides deploy, evacuation, people are injured, etc. The captain is trying to control the situation and get everyone together to make sure that everyone is safe. Are the people likely to follow the guy looking like the double-vested van admiral, or the guy wearing jeans and a polo who looks like every other guy in the back?
The uniform identifies you as the HMFIC. It is universally recognizable across the globe as the uniform of an airline pilot. There is no ambiguity. Everyone knows who is in charge.
Airplane goes off the end of an icy runway, slides deploy, evacuation, people are injured, etc. The captain is trying to control the situation and get everyone together to make sure that everyone is safe. Are the people likely to follow the guy looking like the double-vested van admiral, or the guy wearing jeans and a polo who looks like every other guy in the back?
The uniform identifies you as the HMFIC. It is universally recognizable across the globe as the uniform of an airline pilot. There is no ambiguity. Everyone knows who is in charge.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
Z987k,
If I remember correctly, you don't fly for an airline. You want to know why the monkey suit? ATN hit the nail. Other than that, it's what the company demands. You need to go back and re-read what I posted. Management sets the dress standard. They have their reasons. It's not ours to ask why. Or, you can go ask a CEO why. It's their call. Arguing about it here continually only tends to make one think of a toddler repeatingly asking, "Why?" The answer is,"Because."
Nark
Macho Superpilot
@z987k
I'll reiterate what Atn said with a short story.
Our FA was having hard time getting through to a passenger that didn't want to gate check a painting. It obviously would not fit in our massive overhead bins. She's not one to cry wolf, but ultimately called us up front. I said I'd handle it and went back to see what I could do.
Whatever fight the passenger had in her died when she saw the vice-HMFIC. I was expecting something a lot different than, "yes sir, I'm sorry sir" when I offered to personally walk it down to bin.
It had everything to do with the uniform, and nothing to do with my ruggedly handsome looks that deescalated the situation.
I'll reiterate what Atn said with a short story.
Our FA was having hard time getting through to a passenger that didn't want to gate check a painting. It obviously would not fit in our massive overhead bins. She's not one to cry wolf, but ultimately called us up front. I said I'd handle it and went back to see what I could do.
Whatever fight the passenger had in her died when she saw the vice-HMFIC. I was expecting something a lot different than, "yes sir, I'm sorry sir" when I offered to personally walk it down to bin.
It had everything to do with the uniform, and nothing to do with my ruggedly handsome looks that deescalated the situation.
Because in an evac on a taxi way or runway, they are looking for the uniform for direction. It's a symbol of knowledge. "He's a pilet, he must know something."
In the 135/91 world, you have so few people back there, it's easy. You watched them all get on, and they all watched you as they got on. But when you have 60 back there, 59 if them never paid attention to who was up front when they boarded. The only one who is 6 years old, and in awe.