Why I Left an Airline Pilot Career

TWP said:
You’re doing it because it costs you less. Don’t hide behind an ethical curtain of BS. It costs jobs here and drives down wages here as a result.

On the flip side of the coin I don’t blame you too much, at this point you probably have to outsource certain types of work to be competitive because it’s been going on so long.

But selling this whole “3 humans got jobs instead of 1 I’m a river to my people” garbage is so cringe it hurts. You’re doing it for yourself. You’re part of the problem to fatten your own wallet. You can at least own up to it.
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There are many things I could do to make more money that I choose not to do because I find them unethical or immoral. I choose to do this because it’s both a smart business decision and the more moral thing to do.

JordanD said:
We’re really spinning this into “wage stagnation/depression is a good thing” now?

Ok. Somebody can want there to be good jobs in America without being a “hillbilly Republican.” Implying the only reason someone would want that is because they think less of people overseas is beyond ridiculous.
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Still waiting for that rational argument to defend your position...
 
jynxyjoe said:
Man, this ice cream story has so many levels.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe the freezers full of ice cream really is a rallying cry
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I'm convinced Pelosi's Wisconsin-built freezer was what caused Biden to carry Wisconsin, and that it delievered Ron Kind to a 13th term in the House of Representatives even though Trump carried his district.
 
SlumTodd_Millionaire said:
There are many things I could do to make more money that I choose not to do because I find them unethical or immoral. I choose to do this because it’s both a smart business decision and the more moral thing to do.



Still waiting for that rational argument to defend your position...
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I mean, most stuff I use is funded by taxes. Hard to collect taxes on wages paid in Mexico.
 
JordanD said:
I mean, most stuff I use is funded by taxes. Hard to collect taxes on wages paid in Mexico.
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That’s still not a moral argument. It’s a selfish argument. You’re still basically arguing that the wants of the few outweigh the needs of the many, so as long as the few are people who have been just lucky enough to have been born within an arbitrarily drawn border called the United States.
 
SlumTodd_Millionaire said:
That’s still not a moral argument. It’s a selfish argument. You’re still basically arguing that the wants of the few outweigh the needs of the many, so as long as the few are people who have been just lucky enough to have been born within an arbitrarily drawn border called the United States.
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Not really. If I want to support strong social programs and a good safety net in the US, it helps to have that money circulating within the US. I also don’t know why you insist that I only want American born people to have jobs. If the American jobs are also done by immigrants coming here and being an integral part of our country I think that’s a great thing. You’re essentially also trying to make a moral argument about giving more people overseas jobs and lifting them out of poverty, when you know 100% you wouldn’t he doing it if it wasn’t for the sole reason it’s saving you money as a business owner.
 
JordanD said:
Not really. If I want to support strong social programs and a good safety net in the US
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Why the US? Why do you think the US is superior and more entitled to such things than Mexico, the Phillipines, India, etc.? This is where your argument falls apart.

When you can provide a good living for 6 people or just 1 person, it's pretty easy to see which one is the more morally defensible option.
 
SlumTodd_Millionaire said:
Why the US? Why do you think the US is superior and more entitled to such things than Mexico, the Phillipines, India, etc.? This is where your argument falls apart.

When you can provide a good living for 6 people or just 1 person, it's pretty easy to see which one is the more morally defensible option.
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Who said that? Why does wanting to invest in the good of your immediate community (aka the US) mean you think less of those countries? You're implying prioritzing your neighbor is somehow immoral or wrong. You can't really bemoan the erosion of the American middle class if you're for shipping jobs overseas. You're framing this as a moral reason for doing so, but if it wasn't cheaper for you to do it, you wouldn't, simple as that.

Do you try to support local businesses, or are you content to buy everything from WalMart? WalMart provides jobs too, just curious where you stand on things like that.
 
JordanD said:
Who said that? Why does wanting to invest in the good of your immediate community (aka the US) mean you think less of those countries? You're implying prioritzing your neighbor is somehow immoral or wrong.
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I'm not saying that it's immoral, but I am saying that it's definitely not more moral, which is what you seem to be implying by attacking me for outsourcing.

You can't really bemoan the erosion of the American middle class if you're for shipping jobs overseas.
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Of course I can. I can bemoan how Republicans neutered labor unions in this country, refused to raise the minimum wage, etc. These are all things within our control that we can do to help the middle class. You can't outsource a McDonald's fry cook, after all. The job has to exist here, and if the minimum wage is $15 instead of $7, that makes a big difference. None of which has anything to do with the morality of outsourcing.

You're framing this as a moral reason for doing so, but if it wasn't cheaper for you to do it, you wouldn't, simple as that.
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That's a circular argument. Of course I wouldn't do it if it wasn't cheaper to do so, because if it wasn't cheaper, there wouldn't be a moral argument for doing it. The fact that it is cheaper is what makes it arguably more moral, because it allows me to employ 3 people instead of just 1.

Do you try to support local businesses, or are you content to buy everything from WalMart? WalMart provides jobs too, just curious where you stand on things like that.
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I don't shop at Wal Mart and haven't for 15 years because they have engaged in blatantly illegal union busting activities. As far as "shopping local," I think it's silly. I shop where I get the best product and service for the best price. In the end, that's best for everyone, including labor.
 
You guys still haven't grasped that when todd makes an argument it's so narrow in scope that he's capable of easily dismissing any valid counterpoints as not applicable to the issue. It is an effective arguing technique that assures he will always win because there are no stakes or ground to be given up on his side.
 
Dexter said:
You guys still haven't grasped that when todd makes an argument it's so narrow in scope that he's capable of easily dismissing any valid counterpoints as not applicable to the issue. It is an effective arguing technique that assures he will always win because there are no stakes or ground to be given up on his side.
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That's because he's a republican.
 
Dexter said:
You guys still haven't grasped that when todd makes an argument it's so narrow in scope that he's capable of easily dismissing any valid counterpoints as not applicable to the issue. It is an effective arguing technique that assures he will always win because there are no stakes or ground to be given up on his side.
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When you get into that nonsense it's best to speak to the other readers and ignore the posturing.
 
Yakob said:
It may seem bad, but in the long run it will reduce consumer demand, so Todd will get his comeuppance when he can't command as high rents because Americans no longer earn as much money; and his properties will be worth less than they would be with more good-paying jobs around if he sells them.

Only hillbilly Republicans support decent American jobs, which is why Trump has had his clothing line manufactured in China and hired illegal immigrants at his properties; and Republicans demonized Nancy Pelosi for owning a Wisconsin-built freezer. It's also why Republicans oppose unions and minimum wage increases while Democrats support them.
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Now... if we could only get pics of the pints of Ben & Jerry's frozen within... What a scoop that would be!
 
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