Which Legacy/Major do you want to work at and why...

Choose one...

  • American

    Votes: 29 11.8%

  • Delta

    Votes: 59 24.0%

  • FedEx

    Votes: 32 13.0%

  • Southwest

    Votes: 33 13.4%

  • United

    Votes: 58 23.6%

  • UPS

    Votes: 7 2.8%

  • Alaska

    Votes: 10 4.1%

  • Hawaiian

    Votes: 7 2.8%

  • JetBlue

    Votes: 11 4.5%
  • Total voters
    246
If I had all 9 of those job offers on the table I would turn them all down for G4. Correct me if I'm wrong but nowhere else will I get paid more per hour that my car sits in the employee lot (including widebody legacy vs G4 narrowbody).
 
Roger Roger said:
Lol wat.
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Total pay divided by time away from base (TAFB). I look at pay as from the time when I show up for work until I'm done with work and can head home, just like a normal job. At an airline with all quick turns and day trips the total TAFB is about 1/2 to 1/3 less than any month somewhere else with 3 or 4 day pairings.
 
Lunchbox said:
Total pay divided by time away from base (TAFB). I look at pay as from the time when I show up for work until I'm done with work and can head home, just like a normal job. At an airline with all quick turns and day trips the total TAFB is about 1/2 to 1/3 less than any month somewhere else with 3 or 4 day pairings.
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You should look into corporate if that's the end all be all for you. I had a job where I was working 3-7 days a month on salary.

Big planes/great schedules/everything else..
Like derg said: this is about stacking cheddar. Do enough of that fast enough and you can walk away.
 
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AAPalmTree said:
You should look into corporate if that's the end all be all for you. I had a job where I was working 3-7 days a month on salary.

Big planes/great schedules/everything else..
Like derg said: this is about stacking cheddar. Do enough of that fast enough and you can walk away.
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I'm sure you were on call quite a bit? I enjoy my 17-20 hard days off. The guys that bid reserve here end up working 1-3 days a month in my particular base/equipment if I'm looking for what you're talking about. The pay tops out at $232/hr with profit sharing and a decent 401k. Sure I could go chase 25% more pay for a widebody CA job that takes a decade or two to get, and yes legacy 401k and profit sharing would be a lot more but the schedule and QOL I have now is priceless to me. On the 12 days a month I work, I'm home in time to have dinner with my wife and kids, not to mention the other 18 days I'm off. It's all personal preference but when you can eventually make $250k here, home every night, IMO it isn't worth it to go chase a higher paying legacy job and be gone double the time away from home. Yes you will be able to walk away and retire earlier with a legacy job but to me I feel like I'm retired now with all the time I have for family, friends and hobbies.
 
Didn't mean it that way. 90% of you would say that about my job and I'd probably agree


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Stone Cold said:
I have a P-6 buddy, or whatever the Guppy is in the Navy, tell my wife he'd get out and go straight to the airlines making $500/hour. I was gone when he said it and look forward to educating him a little on the civilian side of things.

He's young and I laughed at a few of our conversations. He thinks I'm CIA, as I'm sure a few of the people on here do, and I just laugh. Do you think I'd be posting or talking normally to people about what I do? I'm busy a normal guy making a buck or two.
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It's the haircut.

Dude, you're a rockstar, if you said "Hey man, I'm CIA" I would totally just say "uhh… k?" and keep drinking my bourbon. :)
 
As much as I really want to mock what appears to be @Lunchbox's short-sighted enthusiasm for working at Allegiant (because, for me, I think there are other scenarios that pay more and allow just as much time off for lifestyle, family, and hobbies)....

....at the same time I heartily applaud and am enthusiastic to see someone who has found something that works and makes him happy. May not be my cup o' tea, but different strokes.

That's the entire point of this profession, so good on ya!
 
Lunchbox said:
I'm sure you were on call quite a bit? I enjoy my 17-20 hard days off. The guys that bid reserve here end up working 1-3 days a month in my particular base/equipment if I'm looking for what you're talking about. The pay tops out at $232/hr with profit sharing and a decent 401k. Sure I could go chase 25% more pay for a widebody CA job that takes a decade or two to get, and yes legacy 401k and profit sharing would be a lot more but the schedule and QOL I have now is priceless to me. On the 12 days a month I work, I'm home in time to have dinner with my wife and kids, not to mention the other 18 days I'm off. It's all personal preference but when you can eventually make $250k here, home every night, IMO it isn't worth it to go chase a higher paying legacy job and be gone double the time away from home. Yes you will be able to walk away and retire earlier with a legacy job but to me I feel like I'm retired now with all the time I have for family, friends and hobbies.
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Lunchbox, you aren't crazy, to each their own. The only real concern I would have is the long term future of G4. I know it looks REALLY good now in terms of company financials. But historically these airlines have always been the first to go when things head south in the industry. I'm not saying that equates to the future, look at PanAm/Braniff/Eastern vs legacys today too. But just food for thought.
 
Dan208B said:
Lunchbox, you aren't crazy, to each their own. The only real concern I would have is the long term future of G4. I know it looks REALLY good now in terms of company financials. But historically these airlines have always been the first to go when things head south in the industry. I'm not saying that equates to the future, look at PanAm/Braniff/Eastern vs legacys today too. But just food for thought.
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That is something I've thought about a lot but like you said it's just so hard to predict, we can only make an educated guess. Some of the worst places have turned out to be top tier like Southwest for example which was laughed at in terms of a career during its first decade or two. Which by the way, WN along with G4 were the only 2 airlines in the US to turn a profit during the last recession. I'm not saying G4 with be the next Southwest but they are set up well for tough times with low CASM and no competition on 75 percent of their routes. After personally ending up on the street after an AMR bankruptcy (eagle), watching others take 40% pay cuts and decade long furloughs at legacy it's hard to forget that and "chase" the good times that we have now. A lot of the LCC's were hiring instead of firing during the dark decade, jetBlue for example hired almost every year. With places like NAI starting to cut into the bread and butter of the legacy routes, I'm not sure there will be a wide body captain job waiting for me in 20 years when my seniority could hold it if I went to a legacy. I wish we knew for sure and you're right, I'd probably sleep a little better at night thinking about my long term future if I worked at UPS/Fedex, well I should say, sleep better during the day.
 
Be happy.

Don't overthink it.

No need to justify it to anyone except yourself and your personal career expectations.

Besides, you're going to switch between "What the hell are you doing there?" to "Man, you're lucky!" to "What the hell are you doing there?" with clocklike regularity the rest of your career. Been there, done that, I don't know where I am on the cycle or how many times it's flipped.
 
Derg said:
Be happy.

Don't overthink it.

No need to justify it to anyone except yourself and your personal career expectations.

Besides, you're going to switch between "What the hell are you doing there?" to "Man, you're lucky!" to "What the hell are you doing there?" with clocklike regularity the rest of your career. Been there, done that, I don't know where I am on the cycle or how many times it's flipped.
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Ha, that's me on a daily basis. My current QOL is high, but many other aspects are woefully lacking. Stay, go, stay, go?!? Every. Damn. Day! :eek:
 
Cruise said:
Ha, that's me on a daily basis. My current QOL is high, but many other aspects are woefully lacking. Stay, go, stay, go?!? Every. Damn. Day! :eek:
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Because Obama's economy is flourishing. (poke… poke…)

When the recession hits and the market slows, line-holding A320 captain at your company is going to look like Shangri-La.
 
Lunchbox said:
Total pay divided by time away from base (TAFB). I look at pay as from the time when I show up for work until I'm done with work and can head home, just like a normal job. At an airline with all quick turns and day trips the total TAFB is about 1/2 to 1/3 less than any month somewhere else with 3 or 4 day pairings.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you.
 
Derg said:
Because Obama's economy is flourishing. (poke… poke…)

When the recession hits and the market slows, line-holding A320 captain at your company is going to look like Shangri-La.
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Yeah man, believe me...that's one of the major points that keeps me hanging on here. It's difficult to walk away from 30% on the list at a company that is as close to recession-proof as possible in this industry (yes, I also believe in unicorns). Even if we wind up furloughing in the future, at my seniority, we're out of business before it gets to me. So the prospect of going back to the bottom of an immense list is daunting.
 
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