Which legacy carrier will hire first and when?

RPJ said:
Lets just say oil jumps and stays at a high price for the next 2 years. These companies are still going to be required to hire in "mass" amounts regardless, correct?
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What oil jumped like 6% in the last few days? I think it could get very interesting with most of the middle east becoming unstable. As someone on the bottom of a seniority list, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
 
wick81 said:
What oil jumped like 6% in the last few days? I think it could get very interesting with most of the middle east becoming unstable. As someone on the bottom of a seniority list, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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Very troubling. Especially with no end in sight. And when the end is in sight,were not sure what kind of govt will take over in its place.
 
wick81 said:
What oil jumped like 6% in the last few days? I think it could get very interesting with most of the middle east becoming unstable. As someone on the bottom of a seniority list, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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And my biggest problem with this is odds are pretty good that the costs of acquiring, refining and distributing the oil haven't changed much at all. Yet, the price is going through the roof. Why? Speculation that costs will eventually go up and people trying to make money off it.

A VERY small fraction of the world's oil comes from Libya, but what the hell? It's in the Middle East, there's trouble, so oil MUST be going to go up. Newsflash:there's been trouble in the Middle East for thousands of years.....
 
The worry is not Libya because the only produce 2% of the world's oil. The concern is that Saudi Arabia might be next in the ever evolving uprising country. Hedge your bets
 
kellwolf said:
Very true. Although, SWA's idea of productivity is a bit different than, say, Pinnacle's. Both fly their pilots more or less 8 hours a day. The difference is SWA guys do it in a MUCH shorter duty day than most people. Same with Allegiant. Those guys might fly 7:45 in a day, but it'll be under a 10 hour duty day. Most of the time, if I get that many hours in a day, I'm staring at at LEAST 12:30 to 13 hours on duty. It's not the flight time that's tiring, it's being on duty all friggin' day.
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That is the beauty of Southwest, their trip credit is usually 4-5 hours less than their duty time. I found this trip example: http://www.swapaluv.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/trip-sheet-updated-png.png
 
I just don't get fuel prices... From what I learned in economics is that the fuel we pour into our tanks was probably manufactured at least a year, if not more, prior to it reaching our tanks. Why then, do prices change so dramatically in a day? And why does the price of gas depend on its CURRENT value if it was made so long ago?
 
kellwolf said:
Very true. Although, SWA's idea of productivity is a bit different than, say, Pinnacle's. Both fly their pilots more or less 8 hours a day. The difference is SWA guys do it in a MUCH shorter duty day than most people.
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Actually, that's a myth. The average SWA block hours per duty period is only about 6 hours. The average duty day is in the 8-10 hour range, so they are very productive by major airline standards, but it's not the 8-hour block days that a lot of people think. Of course, those 6 block hours equate to a lot more than that in credit.

Nick said:
No, nobody is required to do anything.

Last time oil jumped, to $147 a barrel, United furloughed 1000+.
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UAL furloughed only because of the Age-65 rule change. Without that change, furloughs would have been very short, if done at all. Also, you have to keep in mind that the furloughs were likely only done to "right-size" the airline in preparation for a merger that they were already working on. Without the merger, it's doubtful that the fleet reduction would have happened so soon on the 737 fleet. Oil certainly played a part, but not really a huge part.
 
kellwolf said:
I'm hearing SWA for sure by the end of the year, but not in any huge numbers. Delta will likely hire sometime this year. United/Continental and American, who knows. I know US Airways said at ACE last year they were looking at about 300 this year. The big elephant in the room is the price of oil. If that keeps going up, I'd expect most carriers to hold off on hiring until they start canceling flights.
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ZapBrannigan said:
I wonder if Southwest will continue their practice of interviewing any qualified individual who applies. There's going to be a tidal wave of pent up demand when the hiring starts.
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SWA hiring 100 in APRIL. Window opens 2/9 closes 3/23 5pm Central.
 
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