Which legacy carrier will hire first and when?

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pilotlight

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Keep hearing that all these retirements are going to happen soon but there are still guys out on furlough and there is not too much hiring talk going around. It looked like delta was going too but haven't heard anything positive about the rest of the year. How far away are united and American?
 
pilotlight said:
Keep hearing that all these retirements are going to happen soon but there are still guys out on furlough and there is not too much hiring talk going around. It looked like delta was going too but haven't heard anything positive about the rest of the year. How far away are united and American?
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I keep hearing Delta is going to need to hire this year. Also I think you will see both new United and Airways start hiring next year, and if a lot of Numbered Eagle pilots pass AA will need to hire next year. United and AA have a lot of planes coming over the next few years.
 
I wonder if Southwest will continue their practice of interviewing any qualified individual who applies. There's going to be a tidal wave of pent up demand when the hiring starts.
 
I'm hearing SWA for sure by the end of the year, but not in any huge numbers. Delta will likely hire sometime this year. United/Continental and American, who knows. I know US Airways said at ACE last year they were looking at about 300 this year. The big elephant in the room is the price of oil. If that keeps going up, I'd expect most carriers to hold off on hiring until they start canceling flights.
 
Rumors around the crew room is that AA will begin hiring off the street within the next year. Delta should also be hiring this year. That's all I "know".....and none of it is solid info, so......
 
ready2fly said:
Rumors around the crew room is that AA will begin hiring off the street within the next year. Delta should also be hiring this year. That's all I "know".....and none of it is solid info, so......
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Wow.. off the street next year at AA? 1 for 1 from the Eagle Captain pool. Helloooooo upgrade!
 
I think it's anotheryear where it depends on the price of oil.
 
ready2fly said:
Rumors around the crew room is that AA will begin hiring off the street within the next year...
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http://www.dallasnews.com/business/...s-call-pilot-rest-proposal-too-burdensome.ece

WASHINGTON — Airlines are warning that a proposed regulation meant to reduce pilot fatigue would be far more expensive and burdensome than federal regulators have recognized.

Fort Worth-based American Airlines says the rule would require it to hire 2,325 more pilots and add annual costs of $514 million. Dallas-based Southwest Airlines says the regulation would undermine one of its main advantages over competitors — the higher productivity of its pilots.
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WASHINGTON — Airlines are warning that a proposed regulation meant to reduce pilot fatigue would be far more expensive and burdensome than federal regulators have recognized.

Fort Worth-based American Airlines says the rule would require it to hire 2,325 more pilots and add annual costs of $514 million. Dallas-based Southwest Airlines says the regulation would undermine one of its main advantages over competitors — the higher productivity of its pilots.
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Yeah.....really not feeling sorry for either of them. God forbid "the productivity of [their] pilots" is affected. Translated, that response means "we can't bleed them until they're dry...."
 
ready2fly said:
Yeah.....really not feeling sorry for either of them. God forbid "the productivity of [their] pilots" is affected. Translated, that response means "we can't bleed them until they're dry...."
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Very true. Although, SWA's idea of productivity is a bit different than, say, Pinnacle's. Both fly their pilots more or less 8 hours a day. The difference is SWA guys do it in a MUCH shorter duty day than most people. Same with Allegiant. Those guys might fly 7:45 in a day, but it'll be under a 10 hour duty day. Most of the time, if I get that many hours in a day, I'm staring at at LEAST 12:30 to 13 hours on duty. It's not the flight time that's tiring, it's being on duty all friggin' day.
 
kellwolf said:
Very true. Although, SWA's idea of productivity is a bit different than, say, Pinnacle's. Both fly their pilots more or less 8 hours a day. The difference is SWA guys do it in a MUCH shorter duty day than most people. Same with Allegiant. Those guys might fly 7:45 in a day, but it'll be under a 10 hour duty day. Most of the time, if I get that many hours in a day, I'm staring at at LEAST 12:30 to 13 hours on duty. It's not the flight time that's tiring, it's being on duty all friggin' day.
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Funny, ain't it? I don't mind being strapped into the cockpit for 8 hours a day. What really hurts is doing it spread out over a 14 to 16 hour day. Level cruise is the easiest work I do all day.
 
Silly question, but anyone know which legacy carrier serves the most german destinations?

Delta:
- Munich
- Frankfurt
- Stuttgart
- Berlin

Continental:
- Frankfurt
- Munich
- Berlin
 
Lets just say oil jumps and stays at a high price for the next 2 years. These companies are still going to be required to hire in "mass" amounts regardless, correct?
 
RPJ said:
Lets just say oil jumps and stays at a high price for the next 2 years. These companies are still going to be required to hire in "mass" amounts regardless, correct?
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No, nobody is required to do anything.

Last time oil jumped, to $147 a barrel, United furloughed 1000+.

Nothing is off the table in either direction.
 
sorrygottarunway said:
Silly question, but anyone know which legacy carrier serves the most german destinations?

Delta:
- Munich
- Frankfurt
- Stuttgart
- Berlin

Continental:
- Frankfurt
- Munich
- Berlin
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Delta also goes to Dusseldorf for a total of five German cities.

Did United stop flying to Stuttgart? If so, looks like DL tops the list here.
 
RPJ said:
Lets just say oil jumps and stays at a high price for the next 2 years. These companies are still going to be required to hire in "mass" amounts regardless, correct?
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Nope. Rather than hire more people to replace the retiring pilots, they'll just park airplanes and offer flights less frequently on larger airplanes.
 
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