Where would you hold?

[ppragman]

At clearance clearwater revival. I dont see any problem with the MAP or the hold. Seems pretty straight forward.

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[TwinCessnaDriver]

That video is a riot.:rawk:

 

[bksslc]

To thicken the plot, as you go missed, you lose comm capability.

Squak 7600 and proceed to my alternate.

 

[Pilot Hopeful]

Hopeful, did you know that off the top of your head, and if not, how long did it take you to find that?

I searched for the solution. I had a hunch, but hunches are no substitute for answers. Searching the appropriate reference---in this case the Instrument Procedures Handbook---required less than 5 minutes. Table of contents . . . arrival procedures . . . missed approach procedures . . . finished.

A number of submissions provided some thoughtful responses to the original post, but we often have explicit guidance that cover a wide range of potential real-world situations. Instead of providing guesses, we need to seek definite answers. The FAA training publications and AIM are invaluable and should be our go-to books when questions surface.

My credentials suggest that I should have known the answer without looking. I do not know everything, and sometimes I forget. That is why I come to JetCareers: to stimulate thinking and discovery with fellow pilots as we fly in the system.

 

[casey]

If you went missed and did not receive instructions from ATC by the time you got to CCR (hint: this is your clearance limit), hold on your inbound inbound course until ATC gets around to talking to you.

In reality, yes, ATC is going to issue vectors as soon as you call missed, but that doesn't answer the OP's question, because you are no longer executing the procedure at that point.

Exactly. I know there are a lot of gray areas in aviation, but if there is no holding pattern depicted, there is no holding pattern, period. Hit the VOR and either execute another approach or go to your alternate, just like the handbook (and the chart for that matter) says. Never make up your own procedures on a chart. They are all there for a reason.

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[Sisson2011]

Well, I wouldn't really worry about where I'd be holding because the last time I was given the published missed without specifically asking for it was never.

I would always say that I would never be given a hold in a single engine. Then one day I was practicing approaches in middle of no where texas, then I went missed and then FTW_CTR who was very busy with arrivals into the Dallas area said "Cardinal 7FJ, stand by fly the missed". Needless to say after 4 turns I'm asking her again if I can get another approach as she forgot about us. Murphy Law I guess. Flying a hold in a Cessna is possible.

 

[popaviator]

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