Where would you hold?

Good question, I'd obviously fly to the Concord VOR...but there's no hold pattern depicted.

Given no other choice, I'd hold inbound on the VOR parallel with the ILS inbound course.

I know I have protection on the ILS approach path, and if I'm having to hold somewhere like that...that's where I want to be.
 
tricky, I'd ask ATC for sure, but I'd probably want to stay in the northeast quadrant, msa is 3100 and its the only quadrant with an MSA greater than the 3500 the missed procedure says to climb to.
 
SurferLucas said:
Good question, I'd obviously fly to the Concord VOR...but there's no hold pattern depicted.

Given no other choice, I'd hold inbound on the VOR parallel with the ILS inbound course.

I know I have protection on the ILS approach path, and if I'm having to hold somewhere like that...that's where I want to be.
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:yeahthat:
 
Well, I wouldn't really worry about where I'd be holding because the last time I was given the published missed without specifically asking for it was never.
 
SurferLucas said:
Good question, I'd obviously fly to the Concord VOR...but there's no hold pattern depicted.

Given no other choice, I'd hold inbound on the VOR parallel with the ILS inbound course.

I know I have protection on the ILS approach path, and if I'm having to hold somewhere like that...that's where I want to be.
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That's what I was thinking, this has stumped myself and myself other cfi friends. I guess I'm just overthinking...
 
popaviator said:
I'm curious about what others think of the MAP for this approach. Where would you hold?

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1007/05320LDA19R.PDF
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You will not hold unless issued holding instructions by ATC.

From the Instrument Procedures Handbook:
The missed approach course begins at the MAP and continues until the aircraft has reached the designated fix and a holding pattern has been entered, unless there is no holding pattern published for the missed approach. It is common at large airports with high traffic volume to not have a holding pattern depicted at the designated fix. In these circumstances, the departure controller will issue further instructions before the aircraft reaches the final fix of the missed approach course. (p. 5-33)

In a lost comms situation, we might assume that the VOR is our new clearance limit and proceed accordingly, either executing another approach or diverting to the alternate.
 
Pilot Hopeful said:
You will not hold unless issued holding instructions by ATC.

From the Instrument Procedures Handbook:
The missed approach course begins at the MAP and continues until the aircraft has reached the designated fix and a holding pattern has been entered, unless there is no holding pattern published for the missed approach. It is common at large airports with high traffic volume to not have a holding pattern depicted at the designated fix. In these circumstances, the departure controller will issue further instructions before the aircraft reaches the final fix of the missed approach course. (p. 5-33)

In a lost comms situation, we might assume that the VOR is our new clearance limit and proceed accordingly, either executing another approach or diverting to the alternate.
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yup. When I've had approaches with MAP like this, I got vectors for another attempt at that airport or vectors to my alternate or hold instructions well before ever reaching the end of the missed procedures. Definitely sounds like you're over thinking
 
hambone said:
Well, I wouldn't really worry about where I'd be holding because the last time I was given the published missed without specifically asking for it was never.
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Watch out, that thinking will get you in big trouble. If you ever go missed at TEB, the tower says "fly the published missed, contact departure".
 
Pilot Hopeful said:
You will not hold unless issued holding instructions by ATC.

From the Instrument Procedures Handbook:
The missed approach course begins at the MAP and continues until the aircraft has reached the designated fix and a holding pattern has been entered, unless there is no holding pattern published for the missed approach. It is common at large airports with high traffic volume to not have a holding pattern depicted at the designated fix. In these circumstances, the departure controller will issue further instructions before the aircraft reaches the final fix of the missed approach course. (p. 5-33)

In a lost comms situation, we might assume that the VOR is our new clearance limit and proceed accordingly, either executing another approach or diverting to the alternate.
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Hopeful, did you know that off the top of your head, and if not, how long did it take you to find that?
 
Pilot Hopeful said:
You will not hold unless issued holding instructions by ATC.

From the Instrument Procedures Handbook:
The missed approach course begins at the MAP and continues until the aircraft has reached the designated fix and a holding pattern has been entered, unless there is no holding pattern published for the missed approach. It is common at large airports with high traffic volume to not have a holding pattern depicted at the designated fix. In these circumstances, the departure controller will issue further instructions before the aircraft reaches the final fix of the missed approach course. (p. 5-33)

In a lost comms situation, we might assume that the VOR is our new clearance limit and proceed accordingly, either executing another approach or diverting to the alternate.
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:yeahthat: there is no hold in this approach. not sure why you felt you needed one? not all missed approaches require a hold.
 
mattyt98 said:
:yeahthat: there is no hold in this approach. not sure why you felt you needed one? not all missed approaches require a hold.
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Exactly. I know there are a lot of gray areas in aviation, but if there is no holding pattern depicted, there is no holding pattern, period. Hit the VOR and either execute another approach or go to your alternate, just like the handbook (and the chart for that matter) says. Never make up your own procedures on a chart. They are all there for a reason.
 
Take a look at that approach, it is not a ILS nor does that airport have one. Follow the missed approached procedures, ask ATC and if the weather is that bad go to your alternate.
 
You'd go missed? Mins are for wusses!:bandit:





:sarcasm:

Edit: I'd go missed, left tuen direct to the VOR and hold N/W of the VOR, R/turns.
 
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