Where Are The Loadmasters On This Board?

Another interesting one was the Kansas ANG KC-135 during Desert Storm that got caught in the wake of a preceding -135, entered a dutch roll, and lost both engines on one side of the plane......literally. The engine/pylon assemblies were torn from the wing and the plane recovered using only it's two remaining (literally) engines on one side.
 
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Another interesting one was the Kansas ANG KC-135 during Desert Storm that got caught in the wake of a preceding -135, entered a dutch roll, and lost both engines on one side of the plane......literally. The engine/pylon assemblies were torn from the wing and the plane recovered using only it's two remaining (literally) engines on one side.

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WOW that's suprising. I could see it more with the 56's, but that seem simpressive with the older engines
 
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Yeah, the Grumman Yankee was flying west along I-10 with a Cessna Cardinal in about 2 mile trail (though the cardinal was meeting the appropriate cloud clearances for VFR). The two had met at the old PHX FSS at Sky Harbor, and since they were going the same way to California, decided to remain in communication with each other. PHX was a TRSA at the time, and the two had long since cancelled radar service. The 135 was advised of traffic by Luke tower, but they were still popeye. The Grummand was cruising just under the undercast and in and out of the bottoms. 135 came out of the clouds and "ran over" the Yankee. Yankee's impact severed the entire empennage off the 135, so the crew had no chance as they plowed into the prison. Real tragic.

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There was a bigger issue IMHO. The enroute chart clearly depicted above or below altitudes for the routing over BKE. Had to do with the crossing approach path into Luke. The light aircraft was smack in the middle of the altitude block you weren't supposed to be in.

I hadn't heard the entire tail came off, just the right horizontal stabilizer as the light airplane struck the 135s fuselage just forward of it.
 
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Another interesting one was the Kansas ANG KC-135 during Desert Storm that got caught in the wake of a preceding -135, entered a dutch roll, and lost both engines on one side of the plane......literally. The engine/pylon assemblies were torn from the wing and the plane recovered using only it's two remaining (literally) engines on one side.

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Yeah, had some knowledge of that. It was a Grissom unit airplane. KC-135E which had the old JT3D engines they got from American and TWA 707s. I think it still had the old 135 yaw damper which was merely the auto pilot rudder axis. When the R models came on board they changed the yaw damper system. Not too sure how exactly, other than it apparently worked better. At any rate, they eventually got it fixed up and flew it home.

FWIW the KC135 originally didn’t have a powered (hydraulic) rudder. After a crash where one lost an engine, ran off the runway and into a flight line hangar, they added the power rudder. Made it nearly 18 inches taller too.

The Desert Storm accident had to do with a high speed catchup and using the autopilot in the heading select mode. I saw a similar thing more than once during MITO training at Castle.

For those that might not know a MITO is a Minimum Interval Take Off. Used a 15 second interval behind 135s and 30 seconds behind B52s. With all the smoke it is one hairy exercise...trust me!

If you were hand flying the airplane, you just let it go the way it first started. That is, if it was rolling right due to wake turbulence hitting the right wing, let it go right and get out of the turbulence sooner. If you heaved on the aileron to stop the roll, just about the time the plane had turned slightly to the right, the left wing suddenly gets hit with the same turbulence. Now you have that force trying to roll you left, plus you have a lot of left aileron. Next thing you know your back where you started, except you in a helluva left bank and left turn. Guess what happens next? The turbulence hits that left wing, and you're already rolling left! Get the picture?

Toss in a little rudder...off you go.

Now if you're on autopilot, it being kind of stupid and just wanting to fly a heading does just what you don't want to, mainly let the airplane go with the flow and continue turning whichever way it was pushed to do. Next thing it’s got you all crossed up.
 
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WOW that's suprising. I could see it more with the 56's, but that seem simpressive with the older engines

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It was an "E" model with the JT3D engines, not the old J59s.
 
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I am interested in Radiology and I don't like to shave, oh and I like money. I think I'll be a civillian if I go that route!

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Be an X-ray tech, or better yet, a CT scan tech, or better yet, an MRI tech. Or all three.

When I was active duty, the X-ray tech in our clinics (active duty, first tour) moonlighted on weekends at a local civilian hospital. She said she made just about as much $$ working periodic weekends as she did earning full-time active-duty E3/E4 pay.
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Any good C7 Vietnam stories??

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I second this motion. Don't care too much about the KC-135 or Loadmasters, but I could use some hair-raising Caribou stories from the jungle.
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Maybe on a new thread, as we have hijacked this guy's thread for a couple pages now.
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Don't care too much about the KC-135 or Loadmasters,

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That's messed up............
 
I enjoy reading all this, nothing has been hijacked at all. I like hearing all the intricate details of how the a/c's many functions work, and details of accidents with each particular airplane. Have any of you studied the accident listed at the bottom of this webpage? I grew up on this mountain and there is still wreckage left on the hill side. It was a B-25 bomber.

Oh and if I do study Radiology I plan on either going into the MRI or Ultra Sound modalities. But who knows what the hell I want to do with my life????? Fly or fix people?
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Any good C7 Vietnam stories??

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I second this motion. Don't care too much about the KC-135 or Loadmasters, but I could use some hair-raising Caribou stories from the jungle.
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Not really hair raising but true.

We flew around with the windows open. Hey! It was hot! Nice breeze at cruise, looking at the beautiful blue sky and puffy white clouds, with the sound of a pair of Pratt & Whitney 2000s purring in the background. Life was good! But I digress…

On landing you put those puppies in reverse and honked them back to help slow down. The shorter the strip the more you honked! One slight problem...given enough honking the stuff that was kicked up by a pair of R2000s in full reverse would eventually come all the way up to those open windows.

Now I must digress again and remind the reader that most short, dirt strips in Vietnam were next to special forces camps. Many of the Vietnamese soldiers lived their with their families, their pigs, chickens and an occasional cow. So the "runway" was in fact a pseudo "barnyard" will all the associated "droppings" shall we say, not to mention a lot of water as it rained nearly every day over there.

As an IP I took the "new guys" into these short, dirt, wet, "barnyards". Naturally they flew the approach and landing, and naturally they "honked" back on those Pratts. And naturally, in time that swirling cloud of water, dirt and all the "droppings" got to those open cockpit windows. But being the "wise and wily" IP I was, I calmly reached over and slid my window shut a second or so before the "stuff" that was a part of the barnyard cover got there.

The "new guy" not being so wise and wily ended up with the left side of his body liberally covered by that which had previously been on the ground, on which he had just landed.

Gives new meaning to the term,

"The [censored] hit the fan!"

Note: in case a word is censored that word is "fecal matter".

Ah yes, Grasshopper, it’s all the “glamour” that draws us to a career in aviation!
 
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CO tried to punch at the last moment, which you can see his hatch leave the plane just prior to it impacting, but he was way outside the envelope.

Truly a tragedy and complete breakdown and failure of command, oversight, and the system as a whole.

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There was a web site floating around that had these pix of that tragedy. The second one shows the ejection attempt just before impact.

For all of you aspiring aviators out there, look at this pix and keep in you mind if you EVER think you can make an airplane do something it shouldn't be doing. No matter how good you think you are, you aren't!

An ego will kill you faster than incompetence!

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I was wondering if there are still any loadmasters on this board since I am thinking about cross training into that field. I know there used to be a couple, and a search of all forum threads yielded nothing.

Also does anyone know the rough amount of a typical salary a loadmaster makes working for a company like Fed Ex or UPS if someone decided to take it to the civillian world?

Thanks!

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I'm a LM on the C-5. If you're active duty, I don't belive you get a choice as to which plane you get. In the guard and reserve you will get your choice.
 
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