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JordanD said:
I mean really, probably nobody. But I’m also not spending 3 pages getting mad that people think it’s messed up a well known celebrity said they support white supremacy, which was a wholly dick thing to say in the 1970s too. We kind of already fought a couple wars over it at that point.
So yeah, there’s flawed, and there’s unapologetically supporting white supremacy.
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So are you suggesting that we try to forget, erase or rewrite the past? If suddenly all of the really bad things from our past disappear why would anyone lift a finger to improve anything? We need reminders of the dark parts to ensure we steer clear of them in the future. I can sleep knowing the dirtiest parts of our history, because when I wake up I know the world is a better place because we know where we don't want to be. If you erase it there's nothing to run from and it will just repeat itself, humans stink, we're just big brained monkeys, all of us.
 
While we are at it I’ll go on record, Chuck Yeager was an •. I watched him be a complete prick to a bunch of Boy Scouts who looked at him like he was a god.
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Kinda an open secret. It's a point worth making, though. Whoever you lionize, whatever their Cause, if they're far enough in the past they almost certainly said or thought some poop that would scald your little virgin ears. Gandhi springs to mind, but I'll give dollars to donuts that it's true for any Always-Right, Universal-Hero type someone sets out to worship. I don't give two hoots for Marion Robert Morrison, one way or the other. I'm not of the generation that did, I guess. But if anyone naively imagines that whoever they *currently* think is Christ On The Cross and Infallible will stand the test of time, I've got this bridge in Brooklyn...

As someone recently and memorably quipped, "We didn't get out of the Stone Age because we ran out of stones". Conversely, though, it's not like everything was fixed forevermore because we started smelting. The truly ridiculous thing is imagining that there's some obvious and clear demarcation between Good and Evil in the past. White Hats and Black Hats? Pfft. Sounds like a dumb John Wayne movie! I'll be content if I can go down as "a pretty ok guy, for his time". Any other hope is absolute vanity.
 
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So are you suggesting that we try to forget, erase or rewrite the past?
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I think I'm kind of doing the opposite here by acknowledging something • about John Wayne's past that you seem to be weirdly upset about people acknowledging.

If suddenly all of the really bad things from our past disappear why would anyone lift a finger to improve anything? We need reminders of the dark parts to ensure we steer clear of them in the future.
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Yeah, those are called museums and history books, both of which I'm an avid fan of. Not glorifications and fawning memorials.
I can sleep knowing the dirtiest parts of our history
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Somehow I doubt that, since you're spending an entire thread going back and forth being upset that somebody called out a dead fake cowboy instead of being like "yeah, that was a pretty crappy thing for him to say."
 
Lawman said:
While we are at it I’ll go on record, Chuck Yeager was an •. I watched him be a complete prick to a bunch of Boy Scouts who looked at him like he was a god.

Don’t meet your hero’s kids.


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Well known, but I'd still categorize someone who was known to be a turd a little differently than some guy that went on record in a magazine saying "yeah, I'm a white supremacist."
 
JordanD said:
I think I'm kind of doing the opposite here by acknowledging something • about John Wayne's past that you seem to be weirdly upset about people acknowledging.


Yeah, those are called museums and history books, both of which I'm an avid fan of. Not glorifications and fawning memorials.

Somehow I doubt that, since you're spending an entire thread going back and forth being upset that somebody called out a dead fake cowboy instead of being like "yeah, that was a pretty crappy thing for him to say."
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A county named an airport after a fake dead cowboy. Tear it down!
You can't erase the past. It happened, good and bad, no one gets to choose which parts are important, they're all important.
 
JordanD said:
Well known, but I'd still categorize someone who was known to be a turd a little differently than some guy that went on record in a magazine saying "yeah, I'm a white supremacist."
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Everyone in Western Europe was a White Supremacist (or, at the very least, a White Separatist), by modern standards, in the 18th century. Minus maybe a very few who would have been judged to be absolute loons. They lived, they died, they invented Calculus. I'd venture a guess that the Sumerians who give every appearance of having invented Writing or the Egyptians who, well, we've no record of anyone *else* having invented Mathematics, probably had some extremely disturbing things to say about people who weren't Them. Don't even get me started on the Chinese. They still, in the aggregate, seem to think that the rest of us are *at best* Lesser Primates. But we're all spending our time venting our spleens at poor ole Marion Morrison. The people who lived a long time ago didn't have the information that we do, that's why it's called Progress. What if we spent our time thinking about what we should do next?
 
Boris Badenov said:
Everyone in Western Europe was a White Supremacist (or, at the very least, a White Separatist), by modern standards, in the 18th century. Minus maybe a very few who would have been judged to be absolute loons. They lived, they died, they invented Calculus. I'd venture a guess that the Sumerians who give every appearance of having invented Writing or the Egyptians who, well, we've no record of anyone *else* having invented Mathematics, probably had some extremely disturbing things to say about people who weren't Them. Don't even get me started on the Chinese. They still, in the aggregate, seem to think that the rest of us are *at best* Lesser Primates. But we're all spending our time venting our spleens at poor ole Marion Morrison. The people who lived a long time ago didn't have the information that we do, that's why it's called Progress. What if we spent our time thinking about what we should do next?
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Well, feel free to show me their interviews in 1970s Playboy and maybe I'll concede it. Otherwise waxing philosophical about some groups in 4000 BC weren't as woke as we are now is a little pointless.
 
JordanD said:
Well, feel free to show me their interviews in 1970s Playboy and maybe I'll concede it. Otherwise waxing philosophical about some groups in 4000 BC weren't as woke as we are now is a little pointless.
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Okay, you win.
 
Maybe we're passing in the night. This isn't support (or condemnation) for poor ole Marion. It's asking why we're even talking about him. The delta between what he thought (or seems to have thought) and what you or I now think is not obviously greater than the delta between what he thought (or seems to have thought) and what people who were born in 1793 thought, in the aggregate. (Born 1907, 2021-1907= 114, 1907-114= 1793). Can you see the perceptional problem? We should be confronting what people who are, like, currently alive think. In 1793 the French Revolution was just getting in to full swing, if you'll pardon the expression. The germ theory of disease was decades away. If you got shot, they put LEECHES on you.
 
Three Down and Locked said:
... Still McCarran in My book (wink)
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Do you say Reagan Tower or Washington National Tower when you check in at DCA?

Sometimes the names change, sometimes you like the change, and other times you don't... Just like the crowd that won't refer to new runway numbers after they've been re-surveyed. "It has been runway 35 for twenty years..." Yeah, well - it is runway 36 now.
 
JordanD said:
Well known, but I'd still categorize someone who was known to be a turd a little differently than some guy that went on record in a magazine saying "yeah, I'm a white supremacist."
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I’m just more pointing out character is character.

A person who would be an • to children or fans, no different than that jack-hole that acts like an ass in a restaurant and doesn’t tip or leaves the crap for somebody else to flush… it’s an indicator of character. It’s probably not the single flaw either. I don’t know Chucks opinion on Hispanics or gay marriage.. frankly I don’t need to. He was an •… he can keep his statue or whatever air force award or civil building is named after him because he’s also a historical figure.

I’d bet you sit down and talk to a lot of celebrities/historical figures/leaders and interrogated them to spill all their opinions and views in a way that isn’t granting their typical protective and political messaging, we’d probably find a lot wrong with people who have buildings and statues. The ones that are still alive and still popular have just been smart enough to adapt while they have some semblance of control.


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Boris Badenov said:
Everyone in Western Europe was a White Supremacist (or, at the very least, a White Separatist), by modern standards, in the 18th century.
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Red herring. Nobody is talking about someone in the 18th century. We’re talking about someone giving in an interview in modern America. Many of the people here were alive when he said those words.

Boris Badenov said:
Maybe we're passing in the night. This isn't support (or condemnation) for poor ole Marion. It's asking why we're even talking about him.
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I’m pretty sure it’s related to the fact that we currently have an airport named after him.

CFI A&P said:
Do you say Reagan Tower or Washington National Tower when you check in at DCA?
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National. I always refused to say Reagan. You’re not getting me to refer to something aviation related by that name when he busted a controller’s union.
 
SlumTodd_Millionaire said:
Red herring. Nobody is talking about someone in the 18th century. We’re talking about someone giving in an interview in modern America. Many of the people here were alive when he said those words.



I’m pretty sure it’s related to the fact that we currently have an airport named after him.



National. I always refused to say Reagan. You’re not getting me to refer to something aviation related by that name when he busted a controller’s union.
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People actually say something other than just “tower”? :P
 
CFI A&P said:
Do you say Reagan Tower or Washington National Tower when you check in at DCA?

Sometimes the names change, sometimes you like the change, and other times you don't... Just like the crowd that won't refer to new runway numbers after they've been re-surveyed. "It has been runway 35 for twenty years..." Yeah, well - it is runway 36 now.
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I simply use "Reagan Tower"..... I loathe that airport BTW because IMHO the runway is Vehemently short.
 
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