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[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

I know that he loved Mexico and spent a lot of working and free time there and donated money and gifts to various orphanages there over the years.

"Ethan Wayne says that people have been taking his father’s words out of context. Instead of scrutinizing the words from one interview, Ethan says, people should look at the way that John Wayne lived his life. “It would be an injustice to judge someone based on an interview that’s being used out of context,” Ethan Wayne told CNN. “They’re trying to contradict how he lived his life, and how he lived his life was who he was. So, any discussion of removing his name from the airport should include the full picture of the life of John Wayne and not be based on a single outlier interview from half a century ago.”

Ethan added, “My father worked in Hollywood for 50 years, and Hollywood is probably, you know, one of the most progressive and diverse communities on Earth. He didn’t care what race, gender, sexual orientation you were. He cared how well you did your job. He took everyone at face value.”


Sigh....what will be will be. People's lives will be improved and enhanced when the airport name is changed and his statue is thrown in a landfill.

I agree with your overall point that people need to be viewed within the context of the time in which they lived, and that people should be given an opportunity to grow and achieve forgiveness. But those things really don’t apply here. It was the 1970s, not the 1770s. He should have known better, and the overwhelming majority of his industry peers did know better. And there is zero record of him renouncing those blatantly racist comments, so we have no reason to believe that any growth ever took place.

 

[knot4u]

Age 15 to 35 here. A lot happened during that time.

I was 47 when I lost my virginity so that wouldn't be in the snap shot .

What's your definiton of virginity? I'm sorry if that seems rude, but you brought it up.

 

[knot4u]

I agree with your overall point that people need to be viewed within the context of the time in which they lived, and that people should be given an opportunity to grow and achieve forgiveness. But those things really don’t apply here. It was the 1970s, not the 1770s. He should have known better, and the overwhelming majority of his industry peers did know better. And there is zero record of him renouncing those blatantly racist comments, so we have no reason to believe that any growth ever took place.

Simple question. Did he, in his life, do more to help others than he took for himself, or more than you've done with yours?

 

[SteveC]

Were you a fan of John Wayne as a kid?

So, we’re going for a non sequitur now, are we?

 

[knot4u]

So, we’re going for a non sequitur now, are we?

Not at all. A non sequitur would require me to assume he was a fan, I asked if he was when he was young.

 

[SteveC]

Not at all. A non sequitor would require me to assume he was a fan, I asked if he was when he was young.

Swing…and a miss!

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Simple question. Did he, in his life, do more to help others than he took for himself, or more than you've done with yours?

I don’t know the answers to those questions, but I also don’t particularly care, as they aren’t relevant. You can’t whitewash your racism by doing other good things.

 

[knot4u]

I don’t know the answers to those questions, but I also don’t particularly care, as they aren’t relevant. You can’t whitewash your racism by doing other good things.

What's your estimation of the measure of a mans life?

 

[knot4u]

Swing…and a miss!

Explanation please? I asked a question without knowing the answer.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

What's your estimation of the measure of a mans life?

Again, I’m not here to answer irrelevant questions. Racist dude was racist. Moving on…

 

[SteveC]

So the conversation went like this:

So give us a snapshot of your offtime in the '70s and '80s.

Twenty years is hard to fit in a snapshot?

Yeah, I’d have to ”snapshot” my life from age 12 to age 32…

To which you responded:

Were you a fan of John Wayne as a kid?

…resulting in my response:

So, we’re going for a non sequitur now, are we?

So…I never said, implied, hinted, or dodged any comments about John Wayne prior to your direct question to me. Ipso facto non sequitur.

 

[JordanD]

What's your estimation of the measure of a mans life?

Yeah, I’m sorry, it’s weird that you can’t at least say “yeah, maybe he shouldn’t have literally said he supported white supremacy.”
It’s really not that hard. There’s been plenty of people whose work I’ve admired who I’ve learned crappy things about and thought “well, that’s disappointing.”

 

[knot4u]

So the conversation went like this:





To which you responded:



…resulting in my response:




So…I never said, implied, hinted, or dodged any comments about John Wayne prior to your direct question to me. Ipso facto non sequitur.

My question was directed at Frank. I appreciate your level headed moderation.

 

[Lawman]

I'm actually curious about that one, I know there's a pretty widely attributed racist quote from him that from what a lot of people looked into was never said, but I didn't know if there was something else.

Dude grew up dirt poor in Tupelo Mississippi in a shack the size of my living room.

What stratospheric opinions and philosophical perspectives should we expect from that from a modern viewpoint.

Short of being able to reincarnate heads of famous people in jars and educate them on current perspectives, people are going to be offended by something anybody did/was on a long enough timeline. Remember 20 years ago when barely anybody knew Tesla’s name, and Edison was the name of high schools around the country? Give it a century.

While we are at it I’ll go on record, Chuck Yeager was an •. I watched him be a complete prick to a bunch of Boy Scouts who looked at him like he was a god.

Don’t meet your hero’s kids.


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[knot4u]

Yeah, I’m sorry, it’s weird that you can’t at least say “yeah, maybe he shouldn’t have literally said he supported white supremacy.”
It’s really not that hard. There’s been plenty of people whose work I’ve admired who I’ve learned crappy things about and thought “well, that’s disappointing.”

Name one person who you think is infallible (unless you're a Christian because well, you're Christian).

 

[fholbert]

I agree with your overall point that people need to be viewed within the context of the time in which they lived, and that people should be given an opportunity to grow and achieve forgiveness. But those things really don’t apply here. It was the 1970s, not the 1770s. He should have known better, and the overwhelming majority of his industry peers did know better. And there is zero record of him renouncing those blatantly racist comments, so we have no reason to believe that any growth ever took place.

I was a kid in Orange County mid/late 60's, lived near Meadow Lark Airport in an all white neighborhood, went to an all white school, we had a color TV even. My mother was outraged at seeing peaceful protesters having dogs and firehoses turned on them, seeing cops busting heads because protesters were walking down a sidewalk. I remember Selma and the Edmund Pettus Bridge. Why would an 8 year old be watching the NEWS? One of the few programs in color besides Wonderful World of Disney on Sunday night

One day my grandfather dropped the N word at our house, my mom in no uncertain terms told him do that again and you're not welcome in our home, she was crying. Don't get me wrong, no one in our family were activist. It simply was not acceptable behavior in the 60's (let alone the 70's) and we lived about 8 miles from John Wayne's home.

 

[knot4u]

I was a kid in Orange County mid/late 60's, lived near Meadow Lark Airport in an all white neighborhood, went to an all white school, we had a color TV even. My mother was outraged at seeing peaceful protesters having dogs and firehoses turned on them, seeing cops busting heads because protesters were walking down a sidewalk. I remember Selma and the Edmund Pettus Bridge. Why would an 8 year old be watching the NEWS? One of the few programs in color besides Wonderful World of Disney on Sunday night

One day my grandfather dropped the N word at our house, my mom in no uncertain terms told him do that again and you're not welcome in our home, she was crying. Don't get me wrong, no one in our family were activist. It simply was not acceptable behavior in the 60's (let alone the 70's) and we lived about 8 miles from John Wayne's home.

That sounds a lot like my home, what are your recollections of John Wayne from that time?

 

[SteveC]

My question was directed at Frank. I appreciate your level headed moderation.

I didn’t Moderate anything here.

 

[JordanD]

Name one person who you think is infallible (unless you're a Christian because well, you're Christian).

I mean really, probably nobody. But I’m also not spending 3 pages getting mad that people think it’s messed up a well known celebrity said they support white supremacy, which was a wholly dick thing to say in the 1970s too. We kind of already fought a couple wars over it at that point.
So yeah, there’s flawed, and there’s unapologetically supporting white supremacy.

 

[knot4u]

I didn’t Moderate anything here.

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I only complimented you regarding your participation in the thread as a moderator and not using the administrative tools available to you. If it came across as a percieved insult I apologize, that was not my intention.