When did you make it to Regionals/Freight Job

Thickest skin: BCTAV8R. That kid's a "Titanium Mack Truck".
 
SmitteyB said:
If you're calling me a liar, I suggest you rethink your position. The 18 year old FO at US Airways had a VERY senior captain father. He was furloughed after 9/11.

Your source at HP will confirm it Doug, without a doubt.

Merit,

Why would you use PilotJobs.com? Are you nuts? That website is less updated than MoveOn.org. Go to the respective airline's website and look at their minimum qualifictions.
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Not sure who you're addressing here, and I've already backed up my position if you want to get technical, but your statement:
Only a couple of airlines have that rule.
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is flat out wrong. I could care less that somebody's son got lucky and skirted the rule...the rule you say doesn't exist. Does your dad work at US Air? It sounds like this was definitely the exception, and not the rule. It also sounds like it is not applicable right now.

It wasn't Merit who used pilotjobs. I did, and it was purely for statistical purposes. I would rather go to one site and debunk a myth than figure out each airline's web site, go to each airline's web site, and prove my point.
 
777forever said:
they charge me 20 dollars a cut at the barber shop so I cut my own hair and have someone edge up the back for me.
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It's pretty simple. I cut my own hair,have since 10th grade. What you do is simply have two mirrors. The first preferably a bathroom mirror.

When you're ready to cut the back you either hold the second mirror in front of you cutting your hair with one hand. Or you strategically place the second mirror on the bathroom counter (depending how the bathroom is arranged) and cut the back following your hair line.

The first few times might be hard and you might mess up,but thats what hats are for. But as a pilot if you can follow a radial off a VOR then you can run a pair of clippers around your hair line.

:)
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
It's pretty simple. I cut my own hair,have since 10th grade. What you do is simply have two mirrors. The first preferably a bathroom mirror.

When you're ready to cut the back you either hold the second mirror in front of you cutting your hair with one hand. Or you strategically place the second mirror on the bathroom counter (depending how the bathroom is arranged) and cut the back following your hair line.

The first few times might be hard and you might mess up,but thats what hats are for. But as a pilot if you can follow a radial off a VOR then you can run a pair of clippers around your hair line.

:)
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I'll try the two mirror thing out, I don't trust anybody more than myself so I'd rather do it if I can
 
SmitteyB said:
If you're calling me a liar, I suggest you rethink your position. The 18 year old FO at US Airways had a VERY senior captain father. He was furloughed after 9/11.

Your source at HP will confirm it Doug, without a doubt.

Merit,

Why would you use PilotJobs.com? Are you nuts? That website is less updated than MoveOn.org. Go to the respective airline's website and look at their minimum qualifictions.
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USAirways (East), more specifically Piedmont Airlines (The original one), hired some pilots as young as 20 in 1985 and 1986. True, they were generally the sons of current pilots.

A quick run through the current seniority list shows the youngest "new hire", those hired after 1998, to have been born in 1975.

So no, I don't think USAir or Piedmont ever hired an 18 year old.



Typhoonpilot
 
777forever said:
Just wondering when everyone got to the first job after flight instructing. I've heard as young as 19 being an FO on a jet. At my current pace I will be at a regional at 22.
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sounds like your in a hurry! Dude listen to what most folks say in here, enjoy it man and take your time to get experience. Im 19 I took 1semester off to leave a University to just do strictly flying (ATP), I miss the college life, yes even if it was North Dakota. and ill say it again I miss it. Most people I encounter here at ATP are 25 years old+ who finished college, a lot married, some still working on a degree, a lot of career changes, and a few (2) 18 year olds in our 90 program who decided on skipping college or doing online degrees. I think to myself wow, these guys are missing out on a key part in their lives if probably not the most fun. Now I plan on going back to school and instruct in Feb of this year, a community college which is very inexpensive and also since I have 1-2 sems of General eds to finish. however I should still get my degree around 21/22 ish. if miraculosly I get hired by an RJ or Charter then good! :)
 
CaptainChris87 said:
sounds like your in a hurry! Dude listen to what most folks say in here, enjoy it man and take your time to get experience. Im 19 I took 1semester off to leave a University to just do strictly flying (ATP), I miss the college life, yes even if it was North Dakota. and ill say it again I miss it. Most people I encounter here at ATP are 25 years old+ who finished college, a lot married, some still working on a degree, a lot of career changes, and a few (2) 18 year olds in our 90 program who decided on skipping college or doing online degrees. I think to myself wow, these guys are missing out on a key part in their lives if probably not the most fun. Now I plan on going back to school and instruct in Feb of this year, a community college which is very inexpensive and also since I have 1-2 sems of General eds to finish. however I should still get my degree around 21/22 ish. if miraculosly I get hired by an RJ or Charter then good! :)
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Yup Im in a hurry, I need insurance, seniority, and money to pay back loans lol! I already went thru the college experience, I only have 6 hrs to finish next semester. After graduating in May im doing ATPs CFI school then hopefully instructing with them. Turn 22 in August. Im shooting for XJT or SKW in Dec or Jan. With the way CFIs build time fast at ATP hopefully it will be earlier:)
 
Stone Cold said:
That is fine and dandy that "some" people were able to get around the rule. My point was simply a response to Smittey, not defending anybody's posts, or arguments.
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You can point to whatever web site you want to until you are blue in the face, the fact of the matter is the minimums listed aren't the true minimums. They vary according to need. And you are arguing for your point of view, otherwise you wouldn't of spent 15 minutes clicking on every airline on pilotjobs.com.

I understand what you are saying, in that the age 21 obviously came from somewhere, but it has been my experience that as the company needs more new hires the point at which they hire goes down, and as they need less, they require more. Case in point - my company was hiring a boatload of people with <1000/100 (published minimums of 1500/300 at that time), now they are being pretty selective at interviewing ex-freight dawgs and 121 peeps, or so it seems. In other words, just because someone doesn't meet "published" minimums I wouldn't say that should preclude them from putting in their application at a particular company.
 
wheelsup said:
You can point to whatever web site you want to until you are blue in the face, the fact of the matter is the minimums listed aren't the true minimums. They vary according to need. And you are arguing for your point of view, otherwise you wouldn't of spent 15 minutes clicking on every airline on pilotjobs.com.

I understand what you are saying, in that the age 21 obviously came from somewhere, but it has been my experience that as the company needs more new hires the point at which they hire goes down, and as they need less, they require more. Case in point - my company was hiring a boatload of people with <1000/100 (published minimums of 1500/300 at that time), now they are being pretty selective at interviewing ex-freight dawgs and 121 peeps, or so it seems. In other words, just because someone doesn't meet "published" minimums I wouldn't say that should preclude them from putting in their application at a particular company.
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Did you even read my post? Go back and let's try reading comprehension for you, since apparently it didn't work the first time:

This is not true...quite a few airlines have this "rule". Whether they follow their minimums when they are trying to get bodies in the seats is another topic, along with whether they hire below 21 years of age. It is a minimum requirement on most of their web sites and on Pilotjobs.com, as previously posted. I am not saying they don't sometimes look the other way, or to not put the application in. I'm simply responding to his statement.
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I said that there is a rule for quite a few airlines, and I'd venture a guess that most Majors (you know, the ones you're taking the flying from :insane: ) have a 21 and up rule. I also said that companies will lower mins some times, and to put applications in since you never know. The statement I repied to originally stated that "Only a couple of airlines have that rule." This is a false statement. Period. Quite a few airlines have the rule. Whether they get desperate to have more SJS people filling seats for peanuts is another topic.

I don't remember arguing with you to begin with...I guess you miss our discussions of the past. I was simply stating that one statement was false. But, since you're looking for it, there, now you have something to argue about!:insane:
 
Stone Cold said:
The statement I repied to originally stated that "Only a couple of airlines have that rule." This is a false statement. Period. Quite a few airlines have the rule.
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Your point of view is that if it is published, it is a "rule". My point of view is if they hire under their published minimums, the published "rule" is no longer a "rule". I guess we are just looking at it from different aspects.

And yes, I did read your post, but keep talking down to me if it makes you feel better.
 
wheelsup said:
Your point of view is that if it is published, it is a "rule". My point of view is if they hire under their published minimums, the published "rule" is no longer a "rule". I guess we are just looking at it from different aspects.

And yes, I did read your post, but keep talking down to me if it makes you feel better.
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Wouldn't that make it an "exception" to the rule, and not just abolish the rule totally? The discussion we were having was mostly talking about people who knew people, as in, daddy is a Captain, so I got in. I don't think that helps most people out there.
 
Stone Cold said:
Wouldn't that make it an "exception" to the rule, and not just abolish the rule totally? The discussion we were having was mostly talking about people who knew people, as in, daddy is a Captain, so I got in. I don't think that helps most people out there.
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Well, you posted a long list of regionals with no mention of a major (post #48), so I figured we (as in you and I) were referring to them, which is what spawned my post about how several of the companies you quoted as having minimums of "X" didn't follow them, and were most likely out dated. I think there are quite a bit of "exceptions" going on these days.

Obviously, the better the operator the higher their mins are and the more they stick to them. That goes without saying.
 
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