What's up with 9e

jynxyjoe said:
Today? Congrads man! Couldn't have timed that better.

If you change your mind (which you won't) sounds like the BK won't be long, Menke has done enough to get us profitable by the 3rd quarter (though where have we heard that before? hmmm).
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Well, the 10th.. Yesterday was my first day of class..
 
block30 said:
Wow. Where are you at now? And you gave them less than two weeks notice? Were they cool with that?
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I'm out of aviation.

I gave them more than 2 weeks notice. They can't "not be ok" with less. Even if you bail overnight, they still owe you things like earned vacation.

With 2 weeks notice you get accrued vacation and unused earned vacation.
 
Yeah, I know they can't fire a person for less than two weeks notice. :) I was more curious if it had been less than two weeks notice if the company gives folks gave you crap about it. What are your plans, if I may ask?
 
The company was very cool with me. The low level managers at 9E have always been very cool to me.

I'm going to be operating a nuclear reactor at a local power plant.
 
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WalterSobchak said:
When the time comes and we switch uniforms I will continue to wear my blue coat until the contract which was collectively bargained and agreed to by both sides is honored. You can be a "professional" by what ever your definition is and I will just continue to do my job with the resources the company has given to me to complete that task.
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Okay, maybe I'm mis-reading this, but it sounds like you're saying that when the company says "go to black" and everyone has their uniforms, you still plan on wearing the blue until the contract is honored. To me, that's pretty asinine, especially considering 9E is notorious for not honoring the contract. If I'm mis-reading that, and you're okay with going to the black uniforms once the company finally has their act together, my bad.
 
kellwolf said:
Okay, maybe I'm mis-reading this, but it sounds like you're saying that when the company says "go to black" and everyone has their uniforms, you still plan on wearing the blue until the contract is honored. To me, that's pretty asinine, especially considering 9E is notorious for not honoring the contract. If I'm mis-reading that, and you're okay with going to the black uniforms once the company finally has their act together, my bad.
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Speaking of which... Black and gold as of the 21st!

YAY...
(use a steven wright voice when you read that)
 
kellwolf said:
Okay, maybe I'm mis-reading this, but it sounds like you're saying that when the company says "go to black" and everyone has their uniforms, you still plan on wearing the blue until the contract is honored. To me, that's pretty asinine, especially considering 9E is notorious for not honoring the contract. If I'm mis-reading that, and you're okay with going to the black uniforms once the company finally has their act together, my bad.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the blue trench coat which the company has decided doesn't have to be black so they are not buying us new ones.
 
kellwolf said:
Okay, maybe I'm mis-reading this, but it sounds like you're saying that when the company says "go to black" and everyone has their uniforms, you still plan on wearing the blue until the contract is honored. To me, that's pretty asinine, especially considering 9E is notorious for not honoring the contract. If I'm mis-reading that, and you're okay with going to the black uniforms once the company finally has their act together, my bad.
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You are mis-reading it. I'm talking about the trench coat(hence coat). The company is honoring most of the contract in regard to uniform(which I believe I quoted in this thread) except for the trench coat. What I'm saying is I will continue to wear the faded blue trench coat with my black uniform when the switch is made until the company provides a black trench coat as required by the contract. I called the union and that is what was recommended until the company cooperates.
 
BenZwebner said:
Speaking of which... Black and gold as of the 21st!

YAY...
(use a steven wright voice when you read that)
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yeah, i like the part that says jackets are optional, but if you wear the jacket, you cant wear wings. we are going to have about 1000 pilots walking around looking like they work at captain d's.
 
They don't have the wings yet, still designing them, although I saw on one of my captains "thanks for being a Pinnacle for 15 years"... really Mesaba but whatever... had the same mountain with two swirling airplanes in front of it instead of just one. They did list him as a base manager, which will be a surprise to the base manager, so you can tell how much importance they place on those little pieces of paper. They did spell his name right thankfully.
 
Tram said:
I'm out of aviation.

I gave them more than 2 weeks notice. They can't "not be ok" with less. Even if you bail overnight, they still owe you things like earned vacation.

With 2 weeks notice you get accrued vacation and unused earned vacation.
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This. Especially California, this.
 
jynxyjoe said:
They don't have the wings yet, still designing them, although I saw on one of my captains "thanks for being a Pinnacle for 15 years"... really Mesaba but whatever... had the same mountain with two swirling airplanes in front of it instead of just one. They did list him as a base manager, which will be a surprise to the base manager, so you can tell how much importance they place on those little pieces of paper. They did spell his name right thankfully.
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I got "StePHen" on my 5 year letter. I doubt the former Red Tail guys at mainline are going to get "Thanks for being at Northwest for 10 years and Delta for 5 year" stuff. We're merged at this point, so I don't see why anyone would get Mesaba stuff anymore either. Although, I say "merged." We're still obviously three different pilot groups that have been shotgun weddinged together. I'm not even involved with the union anymore. "Union" doesn't even begin to describe it when the reps still call people "Pinnacle" and "Mesaba" pilots. At least we're all on the same page as far as wage concessions go, though. But, hey. At least the Mesaba, Colgan and post-contract new hires get their pay raises on time. I "celebrated" six years at 9E last week. Still have to wait until May for my pay raise.....
 
kellwolf said:
I got "StePHen" on my 5 year letter. I doubt the former Red Tail guys at mainline are going to get "Thanks for being at Northwest for 10 years and Delta for 5 year" stuff. We're merged at this point, so I don't see why anyone would get Mesaba stuff anymore either.
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/rant, may want to skip
Well for instance there are guys from express one at both our companies who were at express one before Pinnacle was a company, it all seems so disingenuous. I'm not a fan of the corporate crap, that really isn't a reflection on Pinnacle as much as it is general corporate nonsense. It's also resoundingly hollow when your name is misspelled, or the captain I was flying with was named as a base manager and flight ops manager (he was neither) on the cheap printed stock.

Personally, if I was a Red Tail or a Delta guy and I'd hit the top of the payscale you could just let Corporate know I don't want to hear from them until I hit my retirement age. I wouldn't mind hearing about how many years I'd been there if there was still a pension I would be receiving after I bailed. Well, I suppose there are still a lot of Red Tails who still have their pensions, so maybe I wouldn't mind, but if I remember right they are still frozen and it would be a reminder no matter how much more I put into the company I wouldn't be getting anything out.
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That was a little winded so I'll summarize. It's corporate mumbo jumbo, and it makes me flaccid. I wish they'd just say, "We treat you like crap, we aren't sorry, but thanks for coming in and doing a good job anyway." It's a giant bag of stupid at this company; they are graceless, tactless, inept, and it shows every time they half heartily put on their "we love our employees" hats.

kellwolf said:
Although, I say "merged." We're still obviously three different pilot groups that have been shotgun weddinged together. I'm not even involved with the union anymore. "Union" doesn't even begin to describe it when the reps still call people "Pinnacle" and "Mesaba" pilots. At least we're all on the same page as far as wage concessions go, though.
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That will get better after a time, so far there's been no time to enjoy you guys except in the jumpseat. Plus every time I see a Pinnacle jumpseater I wonder if this will be the day I'll meet John Hunter, *shiver*. Nope, what company needs is a giant team sport where both sides get divided up and made to play with one another. Know what? Already happening in MSP. Hell we get Pinnacle guys coming into our crew room in MSP, never get to see that at any other base. Both sides need to make an effort, they aren't. In Kennedy it's been such a joke walking into that crew room time after time, except now we actually get to start wearing the uniforms on the 21st. Betcha the dirty looks will stop then.

The Merger has been mismanaged by the Pinnacle inbreds, we should have been one uniform a year ago, that's not our fault. We as pilots are at fault for the lines continuing to be drawn, because we let the stress of union elections, SLI, and contract negotiations divide us.

In the end we are all embarrassingly selfish brats who don't want to play with each other when we were tossed into the same room together, and you know what?, that probably can be said about any pilot group on their first merger. We will get there in time, however, not in time for most everyone to have moved on to Spirit, VX, JB, and a smattering of other companies. No one leaves Delta or NW because they don't like the merger, this is a junk job and not worth the stress of a merger. I know people like to pretend they are above that sort of thinking, but ignoring the reality doesn't help. This job isn't worth the stress, thankfully, it's only as stressful as you want to make it.

kellwolf said:
At least the Mesaba, Colgan and post-contract new hires get their pay raises on time. I "celebrated" six years at 9E last week. Still have to wait until May for my pay raise.....
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Is that a part of that DOH vs sim training thing you explained to me on the phone?
 
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