What's the Point of a Union at (Regional/Major/Etc.)

[PhilosopherPilot]

I wouldn't have been able to accomplish what I have been able to if I didn't understand people.

Uh huh. I know your type man. I've worked with your type a lot. You may be good with negotiations and union politics, but you suck and "trying on" another point of view.

 

[Seggy]

Uh huh. I know your type man. I've worked with your type a lot. You may be good with negotiations and union politics, but you suck and "trying on" another point of view.

And I know your type!

So I guess we are all good then!

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

And if you think union politics haven't screwed a pilot (by not saving him with as much effort) then you'd be wrong. Unions only work when honest members work for their group. Not when snakes come in, screw things up, and get recalled.

 

[PhilosopherPilot]

And I know your type!

So I guess we are all good then!

Apparently. That's the thing. I think you've got the wrong idea about me. But hey. Maybe we are both wrong.

Tell ya what. Next time you are in Savannah or MCO, the beer is on me.

 

[amorris311]

And if you think union politics haven't screwed a pilot (by not saving him with as much effort) then you'd be wrong. Unions only work when honest members work for their group. Not when snakes come in, screw things up, and get recalled.

Do you know why @ATN_Pilot got recalled? Or are you just saying things because you see recall and you immediately think he is bad? You also understand that the position he is in now required him to get the support from the members that recalled him? Do your homework before you throw cute one liners.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Do you know why @ATN_Pilot got recalled? Or are you just saying things because you see recall and you immediately think he is bad? You also understand that the position he is in now required him to get the support from the members that recalled him? Do your homework before you throw cute one liners.

Not the ATN recalls, I was referring to the 9E recalls. There was one timeframe when heads just rolled, and for good reason.

 

[amorris311]

Not the ATN recalls, I was referring to the 9E recalls. There was one timeframe when heads just rolled, and for good reason.

Before my time. Heard a lot about them but before my time.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

You must be arguing with someone on my ignore list, because I don't see what prompted the recall discussion. But for what it's worth, the very same reps who recalled me realized just two months later that they had screwed up, asked me to come back as Executive Administrator (on FPL, no less), and then re-elected me as EVP unanimously. I believe every rep who voted to recall has since apologized and stated that they made a mistake.

Politics is an ugly business.

 

[Seggy]

Apparently. That's the thing. I think you've got the wrong idea about me. But hey. Maybe we are both wrong.

Tell ya what. Next time you are in Savannah or MCO, the beer is on me.

You are right.

I will take you up on that offer for some adult beverages. But I insist, the beers are on me!

 

[H46Bubba]

Holy Crap! Everyone agree to disagree and lets move on.....!

 

[SteveC]

Holy Crap! Everyone agree to disagree and lets move on.....!

 

[SteveC]

I'm not really familiar with airline ASAP or FOQA MOU. Anybody mind explaining for me why they are exclusive to a union shop?

In order to comply with the FAA guidance in the MOU you need a collective bargaining representative to serve as the gatekeeper of information. If you don't have that, the company can go after the pilots which defeats the purpose of these programs.

Even @PhilosopherPilot who I vehemently disagree with on about everything, agrees, a certified union ONLY fills that role.

Does it have to be a union? Can there be some kind of third party gatekeeper involved?

Per the MOU, FAA Guidance and best practices it should be a union.

Companies have ASAP and FOQA programs that aren't unionized but the FAA hates that.

Also @SteveC

Per the Advisory Circular it technically isn't a FOQA or ASAP program without a union.

Are you saying that the AC defines "appropriate third party" as only a union?

Technically, yes, you need a union to adhere to the Advisory Circular.

You can have a ASAP or FOQA 'program' without a union, but that isn't ideal.

"Per the Advisory Circular it technically isn't a FOQA or ASAP program without a union."
"I know you don't need a union or CBA to have a FOQA or ASAP Program."
"you need a union to adhere to the Advisory Circular"
"You can have a ASAP or FOQA program without a union"


I'm getting dizzy here. Can someone help me out?

Here...

You can have an ASAP program but it isn't in full compliance with the Advisory Circular unless you have a union on property.

I went through all 19 pages and didn't find any other interaction between us, so I'm pretty sure I didn't leave any of your questions unanswered here.

Ref: https://jetcareers.com/forums/threads/a320-low-pass-for-seggy.199642/page-2#post-2284013