What's the Point of a Union at (Regional/Major/Etc.)

Seggy said:
Hey, @jtrain609, didn't the ATL FSDO make your former place change a lot of stuff up? Weren't you saying something about V1 cuts a few days ago?

Or shall we talk about this in another thread?

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1. I'm not certain if that was an FAA thing or a training dept thing.

2. Having a good safety mindset does not necessarily translate to other aspects of the operation.
 
1. @jtrain609 said it was an FAA thing, I think. He will correct me if I am wrong I am sure

2. If it was the FAA, coming in and saying 'this is how we are going to do it', instead of taking a best practice approach can be detrimental to safety.
 
Seggy said:
1. @jtrain609 said it was an FAA thing, I think. He will correct me if I am wrong I am sure

2. If it was the FAA, coming in and saying 'this is how we are going to do it', instead of taking a best practice approach can be detrimental to safety.
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I don't remember hearing about anything like that coming down from the FAA when I was there. I'm betting it was an internal thing.

And I know the FAA didn't come in and say, "This is how we are gonna do it." I would've definitely heard about that.
 
@Seggy Virgin America is hiring a FOQA Data Safety Analyst. I think you should send your resume with your vast experience in this field.

Published Job Title: FOQA Data Safety Analyst
Airport Location: Virgin America HQ
Country: United States
State: California
City: Burlingame
Description:

Meet Virgin America


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Are you Virgin enough? Virgin America loves team members with the thirst and creativity to make this the most wowed airline in the sky. In return, we promise to make this a company where inspired people like you will always thrive. Main Areas of Responsibility:

  • Supports FOQA Program Manager with the daily administration of the FOQA Program
  • Coordinates FOQA data collection with Maintenance Planning
  • Collects and downloads data to FOQA Server- Manages data processing and storage
  • Tracks external media and aircraft recording conditions to maintain un-interrupted flow of data
  • Assists FOQA Program Manager with data analysis as assigned
  • Assists FOQA Program Manager with monthly preparation of FOQA trend analysis reports for FOQA Monitoring Team (FMT).
  • Supports FOQA Program Manager with facilitation of FMT meetings
  • Maintains records of FOQA corrective action items
  • Performs administrative functions as assigned to maintain program efficiency Professional
Experience Required:

  • Experience with 14 CFR 121 Air Carrier Programs
  • Experience with data analysis and trending
  • Excellent analytical and problem solving skills
  • Excellent Organizational and planning skills
  • Extensive business software experience including: MS Word, Excel, Outlook, Project and PowerPoint; Adobe Acrobat Document

https://www.virginamerica.apply2jobs.com/ProfExt/index.cfm?fuseaction=mExternal.showJob&RID=1399
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
@Seggy Virgin America is hiring a FOQA Data Safety Analyst. I think you should send your resume with your vast experience in this field.




Virgin America is a brand new airline dedicated to making flying good again. VA incorporates the Virgin Brand’s world-renowned customer focus and distinctive style, to create a high-value, low-fare airline that offers more: more fun, more options, more comfort, more entertainment and more value.

"Are you Virgin enough?"
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Vast experience appears to be at the other end of the spectrum of what they're looking for, Cherokee.
 
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Nick said:
You can lead a horse to kool aid but he won't drink it.
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because it's not good for him
I agree…you can show someone over and over that something is a fact and yet they won't admit it.

Never did I say it was a preferred way to do these programs without unions…

not once

There was no point where I said it was the best practice…

not once

I merely stated that there was an inaccuracy in Seggy's assertion that you must have a union to manage these programs…


The AC provides for these programs to be operated without unions and that is an indisputable fact.
There are programs being run effectively without unions and that is an indisputable fact.


If you don't want to be called out for over reaching, then don't overreach.
 
Bumblebee said:
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because it's not good for him
I agree…you can show someone over and over that something is a fact and yet they won't admit it.

Never did I say it was a preferred way to do these programs without unions…

not once

There was no point where I said it was the best practice…

not once

I merely stated that there was an inaccuracy in Seggy's assertion that you must have a union to manage these programs…


The AC provides for these programs to be operated without unions and that is an indisputable fact.
There are programs being run effectively without unions and that is an indisputable fact.


If you don't want to be called out for over reaching, then don't overreach.
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Don't you know Safety is black/white? There's no room for nuance around here!
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Experience Required:

  • Experience with 14 CFR 121 Air Carrier Programs
  • Experience with data analysis and trending
  • Excellent analytical and problem solving skills
  • Excellent Organizational and planning skills
  • Extensive business software experience including: MS Word, Excel, Outlook, Project and PowerPoint; Adobe Acrobat Document
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Jokes aside, @Nick wasn't too far off. Obviously those are just the basic requirements and I'd guess they'll get way more qualified applicants, but those are pretty entry level requirements for a FOQA Data Analyst. I'd expect that level at a Ma and Pa regional, but not an airline the size of VX.
 
Seggy said:
@jtrain609 ?
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I don't work at ExpressJet, and I'm not in the training department, and I've been informed that I should leave things to experts, of which I've been informed I am not, so I cannot confirm nor deny what rumors I have heard, nor speak to their veracity.

In fact, you're arguing with the expert that was in the safety department when this all happened and trying to cite to me, a line pilot. That makes as much sense as citing Todd on, well, anything.

As much as you two hate each other, maybe you should listen to the expert on the issue. Which is @PhilosopherPilot and not me.
 
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Nick said:
Seggy is out of the running, too. :stir:
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Unless they need their carpeting vacuumed.
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PhilosopherPilot said:
I was on the company side of safety, and I would've resolved an event like that before the union even got involved.
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Isn't it hypocritical to be making a statement like this when you love to get on a soapbox about making absolute statements?

Things aren't always black and white when you are dealing with the FAA. Especially considering not all FSDOs think the same. I know you did say 'admittedly....', but you absolution you could have resolved the issues is what you hate for others to say.
 
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Is this a matter of one FSDO being screwed up when it comes to this, or is this a matter of different FSDOs not exercising any kind of "standardization" when it comes to this?
 
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