What's the deal with anti-Leather jackets?

Tram said:
I didn't really wanna ask, because it seemed kinda... pointed.. I didn't mean it to be that way.. I just honestly wanted to know..

Thanks for the answer...
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Hey, don't worry about it. I had the same concerns at one point. I know exactly what you're talking about.
 
I like'um. I like the blazers too, and the long blazer thing too (I dunno what they're called, french coats? lol) I like the hats too.

its just something I used to love seing when pilots wore them when I was a little kid. I deserve to wear them when i'm finally a pilot! lol

plus I'll be wearing the hat because i'm receding hair on the top, so I've been wearing hats alot lately.... to cover it up :(
 
I haven't read one page of this thread, and not going to, so forgive me if it's already been said.

But, I really like the fitted sweater and epaulet combo to the uniform!
 
Tram said:
You PROVE to me the leather jacket makes me look any LESS professional than you in your blazer, and we'll talk..

Until then, pound sand.. ;)

Maybe you kiddos who feel you need a blazer are like the guys who feel they need a Porsche to feel good about themselves.. Projecting a false "image" of professionalism based on the all mighty blazer..

I can promise you, after coming out of a RAIN/SNOW storm after a pre/post flight walking through the terminal, my leather jacket will look 10 times more professional than a soggy wet blazer.. :)
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next time you go to an interview, wear a leather jacket instead of a blazer. :)

I have you say, who cares!!!!!
if I wear a leather jacket, or a blazer, and someone makes fun of em for it (or an ugly hat) I'll tell them to suck a big one. :D
 
That folks, is the perfect end to the conversation.

Thanks for playing!

I really don't have an opinion either way, but I figure as long as the company is paying your paycheck, look sharp in whatever they give you. And if you're looking to keep a good job or to get a better one, better look sharp because you never know who you're going to run into.
 
Leather Jackets rawk....

I was thinking earlier today, before I even read this thread, how my jacket with my name, rank, and company, embroidered on the inside, would be my most prized posession to give to my son.

I can't imagine how anyone could find them unprofessional.
 
Sorry folks, PCL_128 is right. It is clear that the blazer/hat look is much more of a professional image. Give me a minute to explain the facts behind this.


OldTownPilot said:
FYI, per the CAL FOM the hat and blazer is required year-round for international crews.
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That is the debate right there. It is also true for American Airlines, hat and blazer required for international crews. Airlines don't want crews to go overseas and not look the part.

At United and Delta you better be wearing your hat year or you will have a disciplinary note to sign.


kellwolf said:
Yeah, I'm still waiting on that public opinion poll I requested the LAST time this discussion was roiling. I have yet to see a "the flying public thinks that airline pilots should look like XXX" with percentages after it.

Until I see said poll, the above is solely an OPINION, not a fact of what the airline public expects.
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The real facts behind this argument on which look is more professional looking simply requires one to look at airlines in other countries. No matter if it the dead of winter to the dog days of summer you will see airline crews from outside the United States wearing blazers and hats, heck their flight attendants even have hats to wear.

When I was in Milan in March, I didn't see one crew member without a hat/blazer.

The image of pilot professionalism extends beyond airlines in the United States. If you look at the big picture, NOT having a hat/blazer on as an airline crew member, you are in the extremely small minority.


In the end, do what your company says to do in their operations manual.

That is my .02 cents on the issue.
 
PCL isnt right or wrong....its his opinion...and yours is yours......

If its such a bad thing and the flying public hates it soooooo much, explain the payrates at SWA, the good working relationship those pilots and their management have, and the fact that public flies the crap out of that airline.... lets see what is it..... 30 years of profitable quarters........nuff said.
 
PCL_128 said:
Actually, I think Velo wears a leather jacket. Probably the one thing we disagree on. :)
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You're right. Not only is it an authorized uniform item, but it works better on the "casual" Left Coast and in the various environments we operate in.

I do, however, understand your point of view.
 
Seggy said:
Sorry folks, PCL_128 is right. It is clear that the blazer/hat look is much more of a professional image. Give me a minute to explain the facts behind this.


That is the debate right there. It is also true for American Airlines, hat and blazer required for international crews. Airlines don't want crews to go overseas and not look the part.

At United and Delta you better be wearing your hat year or you will have a disciplinary note to sign.


The real facts behind this argument on which look is more professional looking simply requires one to look at airlines in other countries. No matter if it the dead of winter to the dog days of summer you will see airline crews from outside the United States wearing blazers and hats, heck their flight attendants even have hats to wear.

When I was in Milan in March, I didn't see one crew member without a hat/blazer.

The image of pilot professionalism extends beyond airlines in the United States. If you look at the big picture, NOT having a hat/blazer on as an airline crew member, you are in the extremely small minority.
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Agree with Seggy. I hate seeing our crews (XJT) with one guy in a blazer, another with some leather jacket and the flight attendant wearing some overcoat from home. It simply looks like we're not a crew working for the same airline. The same cannot be said for most international airlines. The pilots are wearing suits, the flight attendants are wearing matching uniforms.

I agree the leather jacket would be more "functional," but so would sweat pants and a sweat shirt. Yeah, it's cold out but I put up with a few minutes in the cold to look professional. And to those who say a leather jacket is professional looking, I could make the same argument about sweatpants. In a time wear our profession is under constant attack from management, the flying public, TSA and our coworkers, YES image does matter. Wearing a leather jacket is what you'd wear to go out and ride a motorcycle, wear a suit to your professional job if your profession is struggling to be treated as such.

My $.02
 
Did a thread about leather jackets really just go 5 pages?

It's a moot point. Comply with your company's policy, don't look like a slob, and wear what you like and what makes you most comfortable so you can do your job as efficiently as possible.

I agree that the blazer is a *little* more professional looking, but it's much less functional than the jacket for me as a commuter, so I'll wear the leather until I'm required to do otherwise.

In the heirarchy of actions that are unprofessional, wearing a company-approved leather jacket is about number 867 behind things like paying to be a first officer on an airliner, buying an RJ course that gets you to an airline at 250hrs, rampant homophobia, faux-hawks, pushing back from the gate an hour and a half ahead of your flow time to make some money, and making stupid-ass PA's that make you sound like Butt-Head.
 
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