What's the deal? (Delta)

bob loblaw said:
I don't know Alphaone, but he said he is a loyal Delta flyer. You question this by saying this: How much of your money did they get? O.K. then. Can you tell me the travel habbits of Alphaone? I can't, so I am not going to question his loyalty to Delta because he has a non-rev ticket for this trip. Can you tell me how many tickets Alphaone has bought from Delta in the past? The airlines offer non-rev tickets which is a perk for it's employees, taking advantage of the perk does not mean that he can't voice his opinion of the service he gets. Each passenger on a flight is a customer, regardless if the ticket is non-rev or not. By your tone, it sounds like Alphaone should do a Lav Service on the plane because he has a non-rev ticket...:banghead:

Hey there Bob.....read this:
Hi guys, as many of you know I live in Cincinnati and go to school in Cleveland. A Comair F/O buddy of mine gives me his buddy passes so I can fly up and back, it ussually works pretty good.

It is pretty evident by his statement that he travels on the buddy passes more often than most. He may be a customer, but he is a non-paying customer. Whether you like it or not, he is down on the totem pole. The kid is mad because he couldn't travel for free on one of the busiest days of the year, plain and simple. Like I said he really has no business compaining. He is riding for free, take the ticket and the seat if it is open. As a non-rev he is and should be held to a higher standard than joe traveler.
 
JEP -Just to clarify a few things but you do have to pay for buddy passes on a per mile deal. For example just going back to CLE is $41. Sooooo I consider myself a paying customer, but yeah I realise im far down on the totem pole I.E. standby.
Second -I am not complaining about not being able to travel on the exact days and times that work for me, obviously I realise there is always a catch with something convienient like a buddy pass HOWEVER I spoke to a Delta rep the day before who booked me for the flight AND said I should be fine considering there were 40 open seats for the 7AM flight not mentioning abything about the embargo deal. Letting me know there was going to be an embargo on the day she was booking me to fly would have been well....helpful. I could have changed plans etc.
Third -As I was talking to the agent this morning he looked up the loads and told me that yea, there were 40 open seats but still he wouldn't let me on. I mean....come on dude....That's the whole "ironic factor" here. Comair F/O buddy said at Comair outstations like going to TOL-CVG they would have just let me on.
Fourth -In respect to "How loyal of a Delta customer I am", yea I am flying for a reduced rate but its money they otherwise wouldn't get correct? I often fly Delta however whenever I am traveling "for real." I have flown them
overseas 3 times in the last 2 years with trips to Cassablanca, Nice and Madrid and you bet I paid FULL PRICE for those.
Anyway all I'm saying is they just don't go out of their way to make it easy on people, and it would be nice if they did. Ya know?
 
By all means, have the employee check with Comair to see what happened and get back to you.

Seriously. Your experience is actually his responsibility because there apparently was a travel embargo in place between those two airports and he wasn't aware.

I luv ya like my brotha form anotha motha but the third point is moot because the agents got to follow the rules else they get terminated, especially at an outstation.

Seriously, have your friend look into it. It's 100% his responsibility, as per the terms and conditions of the "Friends and Family" program to inform you of all of this stuff and not simply assume someone would bend the rules and take care of you if there was an embargo in place.
 
I would have been as clueless as your friend. Ive never encountered an embargo. But Ive also never given out one of my Bpasses.

It defintly sucks to go the airport to get sent home.
 
alphaone said:
JEP -Just to clarify a few things but you do have to pay for buddy passes on a per mile deal. For example just going back to CLE is $41. Sooooo I consider myself a paying customer, but yeah I realise im far down on the totem pole I.E. standby.
I was just gonna say that, in your defense... the buddy pass system is by no means a free seat...you do pay, it's not as much as a regular seat but it is a percentage of the last minute fare
 
alphaone said:
JEP -Just to clarify a few things but you do have to pay for buddy passes on a per mile deal. For example just going back to CLE is $41. Sooooo I consider myself a paying customer, but yeah I realise im far down on the totem pole I.E. standby.
Second -I am not complaining about not being able to travel on the exact days and times that work for me, obviously I realise there is always a catch with something convienient like a buddy pass HOWEVER I spoke to a Delta rep the day before who booked me for the flight AND said I should be fine considering there were 40 open seats for the 7AM flight not mentioning abything about the embargo deal. Letting me know there was going to be an embargo on the day she was booking me to fly would have been well....helpful. I could have changed plans etc.
Third -As I was talking to the agent this morning he looked up the loads and told me that yea, there were 40 open seats but still he wouldn't let me on. I mean....come on dude....That's the whole "ironic factor" here. Comair F/O buddy said at Comair outstations like going to TOL-CVG they would have just let me on.
Fourth -In respect to "How loyal of a Delta customer I am", yea I am flying for a reduced rate but its money they otherwise wouldn't get correct? I often fly Delta however whenever I am traveling "for real." I have flown them
overseas 3 times in the last 2 years with trips to Cassablanca, Nice and Madrid and you bet I paid FULL PRICE for those.
Anyway all I'm saying is they just don't go out of their way to make it easy on people, and it would be nice if they did. Ya know?

Alpha...I apoligize on the pay issue, but I keep going back to my days at NWA when I flew for free.......

I guess like the others have said, I would check back with your buddy regarding the travel issues. He probably should have known and if he didn't then the agents should have told you prior to booking.

Like I mentioned earlier...I just go with the idea or thought process that you are traveling at the expense of the company and a convenience to yourself. Whether it was free or greatly reduced there is really not much you can or should be complaining about. It is a perk and nothing more. You just have to take your lumps. The minute that someone, be it employee or buddy pass traveler starts to cause a problem (not saying you did) that is the minute that the employee will lose that benefit.....

That being said.....Next time don't try and travel on those days....Or at least ask about an embargo before hand.
 
from what I recall.. there are typically embargo days around thanksgiving and christmas AND new years every year... i just forgot myself this year! looks like we may be holding off one more day to let the other pass riders out of phx tomorrow since my dad is near the bottom of the barrel on all the flights! doh! eh, it's ok though cuz those are the breaks!!
 
This is why I never non-rev. I'd rather just buy a ticket and not have to worry about it. Non-rev benefits just aren't what they used to be.
 
From a TravelNet bulletin posted July 7, 2005, and still bookmarked with a link on the first page of TravelNet:

Pay particular attention to the bolded items, looks like your "friend" let you down big time. It was clearly his responsibility.



Corporate Communications July 7, 2005 Page 1



New embargo dates for Family and Friends pass travel


Overview:​


Delta is introducing embargo dates during heavy travel periods for Family and Friends pass riders
as part of a companywide commitment to improve customer service. Reducing the number of
nonrevenue standby travelers will allow employees to focus their efforts on serving customers.
Standby travel will not be permitted for Family and Friends pass riders on Nov. 23, 27 and 28; Dec.
23; or Jan. 2. Additional embargo dates for 2006 will be posted on TravelNet later this year. This
embargo includes all worldwide travel on Delta, Song and Delta Connection Carriers. Embargo
periods begin at 12 midnight Eastern Time on each of the specified dates.
Beginning July 12, TravelNet and Deltamatic will prohibit pricing for a Family and Friends fare if any
segment in an itinerary departs on an embargo date, including connecting flights. There is no
technology in place that will prohibit creating a meal list on an embargo date, so it is very important
that everyone who receives an allotment of Family and Friends passes should be sure to tell their
pass riders about these restricted dates to help prevent operational challenges and inconveniences
for Family and Friends pass riders at the airport. Even if a Family and Friends listing is created or
ticketed, Family and Friends standby travelers will not be permitted to fly on an embargo date.
Those who have already purchased tickets for travel on an embargo date must choose alternate
days. They also may select a new destination and pay the applicable fare difference; or request a
refund. They will not be charged a change fee.


Key Messages:​


•​
Delta is implementing embargo dates during busy travel periods for all Family and Friends
standby travelers so that employees will have more time to focus on customer service.



•​
The 2005 embargo dates are Nov. 23, 27 and 28; Dec. 23; or Jan. 2. Information on other
embargo dates for 2006 will be available on TravelNet later this year.



•​
We do not take actions of this kind without serious consideration of the impact on our
employees and travelers who use their Family and Friends passes.



•​
Family and Friends pass riders who have purchased a ticket on or before July 7 for travel on
embargo dates must select alternate days. They also may choose a different destination and
pay any difference in fare, or request a refund. They will not be charged a change fee.



•​
Beginning July 12, TravelNet and Deltamatic will prohibit Family and Friends fare pricing if any
segment in an itinerary departs on an embargo date.



•​
At this time, there is no technology in place that will prohibit creating a standby listing (or meal
list) on an embargo date, so it is very important that everyone who receives an allotment of
Family and Friends passes tell their pass riders about these restricted dates to help prevent
operational challenges and inconveniences for Family and Friends pass riders at the airport.
Even if a nonrevenue listing is created or ticketed, Family and Friends standby travelers will
not be permitted to fly on an embargo date. Employees have to work especially hard during
busy travel periods to provide customers with the high level of service they expect and
demonstrate that we value their support and loyalty.



•​
Load factors historically hit their peak during holiday travel periods, and can present a challenge
to the operation, especially when coupled with the possibility of irregular operations.



•​
Processing standby travelers dilutes an employee’s ability to focus on serving Delta customers.
Prohibiting Family and Friends standby on key dates will reduce the number of standby travelers
and subsequently help the operation.



Corporate Communications July 7, 2005 Page 2​


Questions and Answers​


Q1.) What is Delta doing? Why?​


A1.) Delta is introducing embargo dates during busy travel periods for Family and Friends pass
riders, as part of a companywide commitment to improving customer service. Reducing the
number of nonrevenue standby travelers will allow employees to focus their efforts on
serving customers.


Q2.) Who is directly impacted by these embargo dates?​


A2.) All standby passengers using a Family and Friends pass are prohibited from traveling on
specified embargo travel dates.
Standby and yield fare passengers listed in an active or retired employee’s PPR are not
affected by the embargo dates.


Q3.) What about the difference in time zones? Is the embargo period based on local date​

and time at the airport where I’m boarding?


A3.) Original pricing and reissues will be prohibited if any portion of the itinerary originates travel
on a specified embargo day.


Q4.) How does Delta determine which dates will be prohibited?​


A4.) Historical data is very reliable and provides the most accurate measure for predicting future
bookings. The dates selected are some of the most heavily-traveled dates of the year.


Q5.) Which days are prohibited in 2005? What about 2006?​


A5.) Embargo dates for Family and Friends pass riders are Nov. 23, 27 and 28; Dec. 23; and
Jan. 2. Additional embargo dates for 2006 will be posted on TravelNet later this year.


Q6.) What if I’m traveling to a destination that doesn’t celebrate a particular holiday, such​

as Thanksgiving?


A6.) The designated dates prohibit worldwide travel on Delta, Song and Delta Connection
Carriers.


Q7.) How will I know which dates are embargoed?​


A7.) Embargo dates will be listed on TravelNet. If you forget to check the dates, pricing will be
prohibited for a Family and Friends ticket on TravelNet or Deltamatic if any segment in an
itinerary departs on an embargo date; and Delta’s nonrevenue voice response unit (VRU)
will not provide flight availability for an embargo date.


Q8.) What happens if the person using my Family and Friends pass lists for a flight and
goes to the airport to standby on a prohibited travel date?


A8.) TravelNet and Deltamatic will prohibit pricing or reissuing a Family and Friends ticket for
travel on these dates, but there is no automation that will prevent an employee from
creating an airport listing. However, even if a nonrevenue listing is created, Family and
Friends standby travelers will not be permitted to fly on an embargo date. That is why it is
especially important for everyone who receives an allotment of Family and Friends passes
to tell the people who use their passes about these restricted dates, just like they do with
dress code guidelines or other established pass-rider rules.


Q9.) What if a flight looks wide open? Will there be any exceptions?


A9.) No. There will be no exceptions


Q10.) Will Delta permit travel on an embargo date in an emergency or bereavement
situation?


A10.) No.​


Corporate Communications July 7, 2005 Page 3​


Q11.) What if I have already had a ticket issued for travel dates that are now prohibited?​


A11.) Family and Friends pass riders must choose a new date to travel, or may change their
destination. Delta will also waive the $25 change fee for destination changes, however, any
applicable difference in fare will be charged. Travel must be completed within one year
from original ticket issuance for tickets issued on/after May 18, 2005.
NOTE: Tickets issued prior to May 18, 2005 must complete all travel by September 15,
2005.


Q12.) What if I try to standby on the day before an embargo date and cannot get on a​

flight? Can I try to standby the next day?


A12.) No. Travel will not be permitted until the first permissible date.​

 
alphaone said:
JEP -Just to clarify a few things but you do have to pay for buddy passes on a per mile deal. For example just going back to CLE is $41. Sooooo I consider myself a paying customer, but yeah I realise im far down on the totem pole I.E. standby.
Second -I am not complaining about not being able to travel on the exact days and times that work for me, obviously I realise there is always a catch with something convienient like a buddy pass HOWEVER I spoke to a Delta rep the day before who booked me for the flight AND said I should be fine considering there were 40 open seats for the 7AM flight not mentioning abything about the embargo deal. Letting me know there was going to be an embargo on the day she was booking me to fly would have been well....helpful. I could have changed plans etc.
Third -As I was talking to the agent this morning he looked up the loads and told me that yea, there were 40 open seats but still he wouldn't let me on. I mean....come on dude....That's the whole "ironic factor" here. Comair F/O buddy said at Comair outstations like going to TOL-CVG they would have just let me on.
Fourth -In respect to "How loyal of a Delta customer I am", yea I am flying for a reduced rate but its money they otherwise wouldn't get correct? I often fly Delta however whenever I am traveling "for real." I have flown them
overseas 3 times in the last 2 years with trips to Cassablanca, Nice and Madrid and you bet I paid FULL PRICE for those.
Anyway all I'm saying is they just don't go out of their way to make it easy on people, and it would be nice if they did. Ya know?


I'm sorry, but I have to tell you that the money you are paying on your buddy's S-4s is a service charge, it covers fees, taxes & such. When you are on an S-4 you ARE NOT a revenue passenger! Please please please do not consider yourself a revenue pax when you're on an S-4! At AMR employees pay a service charge to non-rev on ANY flight until 5 years of service, and fees for 1st class until 20 years (I think) of service! So does that make every AMR employee who's paying that service charge a 'paying pax', NO!

As for your experience with the embargo, that is entirely on your buddy's shoulders for not telling you about it. Any employee who gives out buddy passes ought to be sure that they're telling their pass riders everything they need to know! That includes their standing as non-revenue pax, regardless of the service charge they're paying! Along those lines, has he told you that as an S-4 you're not entitled to things like meal vouchers, etc? I'd just hate for you to keep flying S-4 without knowing all the details!

I apologize if I seem harsh or preachy here. At AA one thing that was harped on very much was to make sure people traveling on our passes understood exactly what was going on. We've had people traveling on buddy passes (D-3s at AA) throwing massive fits at the gate because they didn't understand they got on after all the revenue pax, and the flight went out full and they were not on board. We've had non-revs get really pissy in F/C because the meal they want is unavailable by the time we get to asking them for their preferece. All because the employee didn't let them know exactly what it meant to be on a buddy pass. AA's D-3s have pretty hefty service charges too, but they're still not 'paying' pax. I use the term paying and revenue as synonyms. I loved having non-revs on board. 99% of the time they are quiet, appreciative, and just happy to be getting from point A to point B. I treated them with the same level of courtesy that I treated every other pax on board, regardless of amount of money they spent to be there.
 
I'm sorry, but I have to tell you that the money you are paying on your buddy's S-4s is a service charge, it covers fees, taxes & such. When you are on an S-4 you ARE NOT a revenue passenger! Please please please do not consider yourself a revenue pax when you're on an S-4!

Non-Rev = No Revenue......really........Who'd of thunk?:sarcasm:

I tried to get that across to him. Oh well. Shame on his buddy.
 
JEP said:
Non-Rev = No Revenue......really........Who'd of thunk?:sarcasm:

I tried to get that across to him. Oh well. Shame on his buddy.

Hey man, I paid a "whopping" $40 for this $250 ticket:sarcasm:
 
Well I was able to get to CLE today and now am back at school, so the saga ends.
Basically all i was saying was just what kingairer said: It sucks to go to the airport and get sent home especially when it was avoidible. But hopefully that was just an unfortunate occurance.
JEP -No prob man its all good
MQ -No need to apologize! You=experienced F/A me=young college kid who tried to fly on a day I specifically couldn't. lol...
I guess the moral of the story is check for the embargo days before flying. Don't get an unfortunate surprise like me...
 
I'm down here in the CVG crew lounge and the memo is right there on the wall for all to see.

But it might not be in the CMR crew lounge though.
 
Doug Taylor said:
I luv ya like my brotha form anotha motha but the third point is moot because the agents got to follow the rules else they get terminated, especially at an outstation.

So true Doug. No matter what airline, your key strokes on the computer can be traced back to your agent sine. Trust me its happened to me...but i wasnt doing anything illegal, just a small ticketing problem.

It sucks, but I think the embargoes are in place for both the non-rev traveler and agent working the flight. I forgot the name of the department that looks at flight loads system wide, but they determine when embargoes should be enacted.

A word about flight loads: They are very inaccurate! I usually wait until day of departure to check loads. Anyway glad you got back to school ok. Next time ask a DL res agent or your friend if there are any embargoes going on.
 
Doug Taylor said:
I'm down here in the CVG crew lounge and the memo is right there on the wall for all to see.

But it might not be in the CMR crew lounge though.
Well the guy apologized perfusly, I don't blame him or anyone at all but he was pretty embarressed.
Doug, where abouts is the Delta crew lounge in Cincy. I know Comairs is in a trailer on the other side of the airport, not quite sure where Delta's is though...And thanks for the advice everyone:)
 
It's in the A concourse downstairs.

It's pretty much "backstage at Disney" where we all disappear when we've got more than an hour between flights to avoid the general public.

Free wireless too!
 
Doug Taylor said:
It's in the A concourse downstairs.

It's pretty much "backstage at Disney" where we all disappear when we've got more than an hour between flights to avoid the general public.

Free wireless too!

Yup...you guys have all those huge reclining comfortable black sofas too. Spent more then a couple of hours down there asleep.
Do they still have the DL employee store in concourse A. Your like hell if I know.

-Matthew
 
Someone asked me that today, like hell if I know! :)

There's still once in A in ATL though.
 
So here is a good question. On an embargo day can an employee not living at his or her base who commutes to work get on a company aircraft. I'm referencing commuting not dead heading. Or do "embargo" days only affect friends and family of the airline employee and not the airline employee.

-Matthew
 
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