What would you do?

Just .02 cents on the Jet vs. Turbo prop PIC thing. I can think of four EMB 120 captains, who I have known personally, that have recently gone to either FED-EX, Southwest or Alaska. If I remember correctly only one was ever on the jet. (As an F/O. None had JET PIC that I know of.)

I'm sure jet PIC looks good, but I don't know if it is really THAT much more valuable if at all than turbo prop PIC. (Comparing transport category aircraft.)
 
Seggy said:
Kell, why don't you come with me to Dulles or HPN one day at night and see how they treat a 1900 there when they are holding the gate for the 50 seat RJ.
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HPN is a crappy station if you fly a 1900 or a CRJ-200. We get the "I can't believe you fly these small planes" from the passengers just like everyone else. Apparently, having money entitles them to an Airbus or something.

Operationally, stations don't like us as we don't hold that many and are treated like •! on a daily basis. A gate supervisor once called the Massport police on me in May and wanted to charge me with stealing the water out of the catering cabinet. I was dying of thirst. He said I should have bought the water in the terminal. Or stand outside in the -10 below windchill waiting for the PAX to board, or stand outside on the 120 degree ramp waiting for the PAX to board. Or when shooting an ILS and you get a tap on the shoulder from a PAX who needs to use the bathroom or...
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Like I said, every airplane has it's problems. I'd be miffed with a pax tapping me on the shoulder, too. The other gripes (save standing outside in the wx) have to do with the fact that you're a sub-contractor. Are those bases COLGAN bases? If so, then they need a serious attitude adjustment. If not, welcome to being a contractor. It's the same if you've got 19 seats or 50. NWA ground service is getting turned over to some outsourcing companies (PCL being one of them), so you can imagine how much the guys and gals that have been there for 18-20 years think about our ground handlers more or less taking their jobs. That has NOTHING to do with what airplane you fly, but has to do with inter-corporate crap.

But on the line, is another story. The only respect we get are from guys who have been in our shoes.
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I never said that TP was less valuable than jet or that's what the majors want to see. Heck, I was trying to get into Colgan myself there for a while. It's similar to the guys we have saying "Sign a contract now or we're gonna lose the NWA flying and be on the street." Most of them are either 1st years or still in training. The guys that have been around the block (esp the guys that went through the 1999 negotiations) have more of a clue. You get stupid and irritating people at any job, though. :)
 
If it was me, i'd take the jet but only because it pays more. I don't know you that well but I think you're a single guy with relatively few "domestic demands". I'm in a similair situation, and for me money and additional experience outweigh weekends (although I'm getting weekends right now and it is nice...).

Another reason that the switch to the jet may help you "get to the next level" is that you will gain another type rating.

It seems that a lot of places like to see multiple type ratings (southwest, fedex) regardless of the types of engines on the airplanes....
 
Alchemy said:
If it was me, i'd take the jet but only because it pays more. I don't know you that well but I think you're a single guy with relatively few "domestic demands". I'm in a similair situation, and for me money and additional experience outweigh weekends (although I'm getting weekends right now and it is nice...).

Another reason that the switch to the jet may help you "get to the next level" is that you will gain another type rating.

It seems that a lot of places like to see multiple type ratings (southwest, fedex) regardless of the types of engines on the airplanes....
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So the following aircraft don't require type ratings?

-Beech 1900 C/D
-Metroliner
-EMB-120
-Donier 328
-Dash-8
-ATR-42/72

Coulda sworn they were all over 12,500 lbs.
 
jtrain609 said:
So the following aircraft don't require type ratings?

-Beech 1900 C/D
-Metroliner
-EMB-120
-Donier 328
-Dash-8
-ATR-42/72

Coulda sworn they were all over 12,500 lbs.
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He said "gain another type rating".

Switching as PIC of a typed a/c to another a/c requiring a type rating will result in one having an additional type rating.

Or, in layman's terms: 1+1=2 :D
 
Chris_Ford said:
He said "gain another type rating".

Switching as PIC of a typed a/c to another a/c requiring a type rating will result in one having an additional type rating.

Or, in layman's terms: 1+1=2 :D
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Colgan operates the 1900D and the Saab 340

Skyway operates the 1900D and the Donier 328 Jet

Ameriflight operates the 1900C, Metroliner, EMB-120 and a few Lears

Looks like you can get multiple type ratings at all those carriers, where at ExpressJet and Pinnacle you can only get on type rating.
 
Was there a point to that John, or do you just not like being wrong? :)

Last time I checked SWA only operated one type, too. Assuming you didn't have to pay for it, you'd only get one type there as well.....
 
Just saying bro. You're sick of people calling your plane a little jet and I'm sick of people saying that turboprop time isn't as valuable as jet time.
 
jtrain609 said:
Colgan operates the 1900D and the Saab 340

Skyway operates the 1900D and the Donier 328 Jet

Ameriflight operates the 1900C, Metroliner, EMB-120 and a few Lears

Looks like you can get multiple type ratings at all those carriers, where at ExpressJet and Pinnacle you can only get on type rating.
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Yes, but the company that is in question operates a turboprop and...........

wait for it........

A JET!

So yeah, um, irrelevance on your post.
 
Kingairer said:
Because we are having to have this conversation, if they were equal we wouldnt be having it. So someone out there thinks it isnt as valuable.
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Yeah that makes a ton of sense. So when a conversation comes up saying that Doug Taylor is the President of the United States of America, because we are having that conversation it is true?
 
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