What would you do if the captain __________?

germb747

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It's everyone's favorite interview question; the WWYD.

What would you do if windshear is occuring and the captain decides to land anyway?

WWYD if there's a cell at the end of the runway and the captan decides to land?

WWYD if the captain flies an unstabilized approach?

WWYD if someone told you they saw your captain in the bar 7 hours before the flight?

WWYD if you're a new FO and the captain told you not to read the checklists or follow company procedures?

Fortunately, any situation I've ever encountered like this (not many) was resolved simply by bringing the matter to the guy's attention and being assertive (but respectful), as we generally don't have "cowboy" pilots with a total disregard for safety. With that said, what would YOU do?
 
What would you do if windshear is occuring and the captain decides to land anyway?

I'd tell them we need to go-around (if we do). Where I work it is split into windshear caution and windshear warning. If it's a warning you cannot land. If they still insist on flying then things are going to get ugly because I'll be sharing the controls with them without fighting for them, but they'll have a lot of explaining to do later, and not just to me.

I'd never want to have to take the controls from someone or fight over the controls, but if it really looked like there could be a good chance the windshear would result in us fighting for controls at full power sinking into the earth short of the runway, you had better believe I prefer to get the "my airplane" part done at a higher altitude.

WWYD if there's a cell at the end of the runway and the captan decides to land?

Mostly the same as above if the thing is a legitimate nasty looking CB, visually or on radar or as advised from ATC.

WWYD if the captain flies an unstabilized approach?

I'd wonder why I didn't say anything to them along the way down. I haven't personally experience the two questions above but I think anyone who's been at the airlines for more than a few months will eventually face this one. The first time, I was a bit timid since I had probably 1700TT and the captain had maybe 5,000 to 10,000 hours? Whatever the amount, much more than me was the point. Because of that I felt like I ought to wait a little and see how the approach went...I was so new to the game and maybe I didn't realize what the plane could do in a given amount of time. Passing 1000 feet we were fast and high but configured. At 500 we were still about a dot high but still at idle as we were about 30 knots above our desired speed. I called out "we're pretty fast" and he said "correcting." In hindsight: how?? I was just about to say "go around" when he did it for me.

The next few times it happened I wasn't as hesitant to be more specific and I think that's what important in this situation. Saying "we're pretty fast" does make it obvious that you're not exactly content with the approach that's being flown, but it's a lot better if you say, "30 knots fast and we're at 500 feet now...I think we need to come around and try this again, go-around." There's not much they can say to that other than, "going around!"

WWYD if someone told you they saw your captain in the bar 7 hours before the flight?

I'd want to talk to that person separately. If they were telling the truth (i.e. able to answer specific questions such as, how long were YOU there, what time, what were they wearing, were they with anyone else, etc.) then it's time to ask the captain and if they deny it, I think a request for them to go do an alcohol test at the airport clinic is in order. This would probably result in getting a new captain if it's a hub, which is a good idea, as whisper down the lane would probably be in progress in the cabin.

Someone saying "that pilot seems drunk!" at a security checkpoint at 5:00AM when the crew had a 9 hour layover after a 16 hour duty period is one thing.

Someone saying, at 7AM, "Hey, co-pilot...I saw your co-worker at my hotel's bar last night at midnight..." is a different story.

WWYD if you're a new FO and the captain told you not to read the checklists or follow company procedures?

Easiest one, because it sounds like this one takes place at the gate on the first flight with the goofball.

I'd politely tell them that's not how it's going to be and if they can't deal with me doing things the standard way right NOW then we're simply going back to the terminal and I'm packing my bags and getting off the plane. If they change their mind, good. I hope they mean it. If they don't, I'll wish them good luck explaining the gate return to their chief pilot.
 
It's everyone's favorite interview question; the WWYD.

What would you do if windshear is occuring and the captain decides to land anyway?

WWYD if there's a cell at the end of the runway and the captan decides to land?

WWYD if the captain flies an unstabilized approach?

WWYD if someone told you they saw your captain in the bar 7 hours before the flight?

WWYD if you're a new FO and the captain told you not to read the checklists or follow company procedures?

Fortunately, any situation I've ever encountered like this (not many) was resolved simply by bringing the matter to the guy's attention and being assertive (but respectful), as we generally don't have "cowboy" pilots with a total disregard for safety. With that said, what would YOU do?

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It's everyone's favorite interview question; the WWYD.

What would you do if windshear is occuring and the captain decides to land anyway?

Tighten the seatbelt and be ready on the thrust levers.

WWYD if there's a cell at the end of the runway and the captan decides to land?
Ditto.

WWYD if the captain flies an unstabilized approach?
If it looked safe, I'd probably smile.

WWYD if someone told you they saw your captain in the bar 7 hours before the flight?
Ask them what he was drinking, how they know, and what fing business it is of theirs, anyway. Then judge for myself whether the Captain is in any condition to take me along with him when he pushes the power up.

WWYD if you're a new FO and the captain told you not to read the checklists or follow company procedures?
Use some common sense and determine whether the safety of flight (and my ass) was in any danger from this fellow pilot's way of operating.

Typically, the Captain got there because he knows what he's doing. That's not say that he always does...that's why your peasant butt is in the right seat. I guess it all comes down to "show a little fricking initiative and judgment and act as a competent, serious pilot rather than an adjunct to a rulebook."
 
It's everyone's favorite interview question; the WWYD.

What would you do if windshear is occuring and the captain decides to land anyway?

"Nice Landing there captain" high five!

WWYD if there's a cell at the end of the runway and the captan decides to land?

Make it a greaser landing

WWYD if the captain flies an unstabilized approach?

Tell him he sucks and owes me a drink at the bar.

WWYD if someone told you they saw your captain in the bar 7 hours before the flight?

Tell them that they forgot to change their watch for day light savings.

WWYD if you're a new FO and the captain told you not to read the checklists or follow company procedures?

I would do it anyway without him looking, or since he likes to drink 7 hours before a flight I would tell him drinks are on me if he S'sTFU.

Fortunately, any situation I've ever encountered like this (not many) was resolved simply by bringing the matter to the guy's attention and being assertive (but respectful), as we generally don't have "cowboy" pilots with a total disregard for safety. With that said, what would YOU do?
 
What would you do if windshear is occuring and the captain decides to land anyway?

Call the go-around over freq. Don't try to fight over controls.

WWYD if there's a cell at the end of the runway and the captan decides to land?

Same as #1

WWYD if the captain flies an unstabilized approach?

Same as #1

WWYD if someone told you they saw your captain in the bar 7 hours before the flight?

If I have any suspicion of the captain being under the influence or not within the FAA tolerances then I would act. I would however not act on hearsay. (sp?)

1.) Tell the Capt. to call in sick.
2.) Then have him contact the union's substance abuse program.
3.) The union's substance abuse program is to call me once the Capt. has set up his treatment.
4.) If any of these steps aren't followed I would then have to pass it up the chain starting w/ the Chief Pilot as he hasn't left me any other choice.

WWYD if you're a new FO and the captain told you not to read the checklists or follow company procedures?

Try and do your best to run the checklist on your own. Verifying everything the captain does. Discuss this w/ him after the flight and if you still don't see eye to eye then you call up scheduling and refuse to fly to protect the safety of the pax on board.

There is a good thread over @ APC on the HR ?'s and answers. Got most of mine from there.
 
Tighten the seatbelt and be ready on the thrust levers.

Ditto.

If it looked safe, I'd probably smile.

Ask them what he was drinking, how they know, and what fing business it is of theirs, anyway. Then judge for myself whether the Captain is in any condition to take me along with him when he pushes the power up.

Use some common sense and determine whether the safety of flight (and my ass) was in any danger from this fellow pilot's way of operating.

Typically, the Captain got there because he knows what he's doing. That's not say that he always does...that's why your peasant butt is in the right seat. I guess it all comes down to "show a little fricking initiative and judgment and act as a competent, serious pilot rather than an adjunct to a rulebook."

g-damn you're hired
 
Call the go-around over freq. Don't try to fight over controls.

Same as #1

Same as #1

If I have any suspicion of the captain being under the influence or not within the FAA tolerances then I would act. I would however not act on hearsay. (sp?)

1.) Tell the Capt. to call in sick.
2.) Then have him contact the union's substance abuse program.
3.) The union's substance abuse program is to call me once the Capt. has set up his treatment.
4.) If any of these steps aren't followed I would then have to pass it up the chain starting w/ the Chief Pilot as he hasn't left me any other choice.

Try and do your best to run the checklist on your own. Verifying everything the captain does. Discuss this w/ him after the flight and if you still don't see eye to eye then you call up scheduling and refuse to fly to protect the safety of the pax on board.

There is a good thread over @ APC on the HR ?'s and answers. Got most of mine from there.

Congratulations, you just passed the oral interview for my current job. If someone isn't willing to do these things...they lack spine. They need to find another line of work before someone who probably doesn't belong in the left seat wrecks a plane full of people while they sit idly doing nothing because they were afraid of getting yelled at. Hey, NEWS FLASH: That's what they hired you for, folks!

When I was 3 weeks on the line at my previous company, I was just getting into my seat when the CA asked if the #2 Eng was clear. It was a turbo prop with no APU and he wanted to get the ground power disconnected. I said, "Uh, yeah"..and he fires up the motor. I asked if he wanted me to run the before start checklist...he said, "No, don't worry about it". Being new, I just took it out and started reading the items and verifying the answers out loud. When I got to fuel, I asked what we were suppose to have on board because he had the release tucked neatly on next to his left hip where I couldn't reach it. SURPRISE! WE HAD NEVER BEEN FUELED. Now we have to get the ground crew to reattach the GPU and shut the motor back down, call ops to send the fuel truck, and make some lame excuse on the PA about a last minute fuel adjustment. Embarrassing for me..his answer, "well, THAT'S never happened before". Jackass.

I'd much rather explain to the Chief Pilot why I followed the company procedures and went around rather then why I didn't.
 
Tighten the seatbelt and be ready on the thrust levers.

Ditto.

If it looked safe, I'd probably smile.

Ask them what he was drinking, how they know, and what fing business it is of theirs, anyway. Then judge for myself whether the Captain is in any condition to take me along with him when he pushes the power up.

Use some common sense and determine whether the safety of flight (and my ass) was in any danger from this fellow pilot's way of operating.

Typically, the Captain got there because he knows what he's doing. That's not say that he always does...that's why your peasant butt is in the right seat. I guess it all comes down to "show a little fricking initiative and judgment and act as a competent, serious pilot rather than an adjunct to a rulebook."

Are these answers serious?
 
The bar question is a bit open for assumption I think. You stated that you saw the captain in the bar seven hours before departure. This doesn't necessarily mean that the captain was drinking though. The captain could have stopped drinking a few hours ago (if he was drinking at all) and was just socializing, catching the end of a game, or getting a late night snack before heading to the room and going to bed.:dunno:

You have to be very cautious as how you approach this and be absolutely sure that the captain was breaking the rule before taking any big steps knowing that you're putting someones livelyhood on the line.

Thats probably not the answer HR is looking for, but realistically though...
 
incoming call from the real world. press 1 to accept the charges.

Does not clarify my question. If those ARE serious answers, then I guess I can understand why you all are against video recording and adding CVR to FOQA analysis!

I was hoping that it was a tongue-in-cheek response. Nick's responses are what I would expect and hope for from any F/O I flew with.
 
Does not clarify my question. If those ARE serious answers, then I guess I can understand why you all are against video recording and adding CVR to FOQA analysis!

I was hoping that it was a tongue-in-cheek response. Nick's responses are what I would expect and hope for from any F/O I flew with.

well I have absolutely zero experience in the 121 environment, and very little multi crew experience. For some people every question up there with the exception of the bar is SOP.

The fact of the matter is, windshear, CB's, and a "non stabilized approach" go hand in hand. They'll always be together. Over the last couple of months, ive gotten a new appreciation for what is truly "dangerous." I thought going through a level five with ice followed by approach to minimums with a 20kt cross wind was a tough day at the office, until you go out and land in the Mississippi river with a 25kt cross wind blowing perpendicular to the current while trying to tie up to a barge without bending any metal. Its all relative.

Some operators carve their niche by flying in unfavorable conditions. Patently calling an action "unsafe" or "dangerous" is just flat wrong. What some consider unsafe, others are trained to do day in and day out, and they do so without incident.

Now, when i was an FO, sitting next to someone with 20,000 hours, if he did something I didnt think was right, i just remembered that you dont live that long with nothing but luck. If i thought things were really about to hit the fan, id bring it to his attention. Im sorry, but most of the time its just not the place for a 500 hour guy to question a 20,000 hour guy. He's proved himself, you havent.

As far as the bar thing goes, Thats a matter thats best resolved one on one. If we were all honest i think we could all determine right off the bat if someone was unfit to fly just by talking to them for a few minutes. If my capt was obviously FUBAR, then we delay the trip for another reason than his boozing. I'm not going to make a public spectacle out of a private situation.
 
well I have absolutely zero experience in the 121 environment, and very little multi crew experience. For some people every question up there with the exception of the bar is SOP.

The fact of the matter is, windshear, CB's, and a "non stabilized approach" go hand in hand. They'll always be together. Over the last couple of months, ive gotten a new appreciation for what is truly "dangerous." I thought going through a level five with ice followed by approach to minimums with a 20kt cross wind was a tough day at the office, until you go out and land in the Mississippi river with a 25kt cross wind blowing perpendicular to the current while trying to tie up to a barge without bending any metal. Its all relative.

Some operators carve their niche by flying in unfavorable conditions. Patently calling an action "unsafe" or "dangerous" is just flat wrong. What some consider unsafe, others are trained to do day in and day out, and they do so without incident.

Now, when i was an FO, sitting next to someone with 20,000 hours, if he did something I didnt think was right, i just remembered that you dont live that long with nothing but luck. If i thought things were really about to hit the fan, id bring it to his attention. Im sorry, but most of the time its just not the place for a 500 hour guy to question a 20,000 hour guy. He's proved himself, you havent.

As far as the bar thing goes, Thats a matter thats best resolved one on one. If we were all honest i think we could all determine right off the bat if someone was unfit to fly just by talking to them for a few minutes. If my capt was obviously FUBAR, then we delay the trip for another reason than his boozing. I'm not going to make a public spectacle out of a private situation.

That all sounds good, but I am coming from the opposite end of this. I am the guy with a quarter century with my company (and near 35 years in the industry). I am the guy that has been a Captain on my aircraft type for almost 15 years. I am the guy that has been a check airman, in management, and chairman of several committees for the union.

With that as a backdrop, I am the guy that wants that new F/O to SPEAK UP if something does not seem right or it appears I am not following the the published procedures, etc. If I have not briefed it, I am probably not intentionally deviating. If I am, then I better have a darn good reason, and I will be confident that my reasoning will be supported should I be at the end of that table with a glass of water. Either way, that F/O BETTER speak up!
 
Great, we can all answer a canned question with a canned answer.

Now let's get back to reality.

Actually, I agree with all of Nick's responses.

I've had a similar experience to the last scenario where I stepped on the brakes and told the other guy almost exactly what Nick wrote.
 
well I have absolutely zero experience in the 121 environment, and very little multi crew experience. For some people every question up there with the exception of the bar is SOP.

The fact of the matter is, windshear, CB's, and a "non stabilized approach" go hand in hand. They'll always be together. Over the last couple of months, ive gotten a new appreciation for what is truly "dangerous." I thought going through a level five with ice followed by approach to minimums with a 20kt cross wind was a tough day at the office, until you go out and land in the Mississippi river with a 25kt cross wind blowing perpendicular to the current while trying to tie up to a barge without bending any metal. Its all relative.

Some operators carve their niche by flying in unfavorable conditions. Patently calling an action "unsafe" or "dangerous" is just flat wrong. What some consider unsafe, others are trained to do day in and day out, and they do so without incident.

Now, when i was an FO, sitting next to someone with 20,000 hours, if he did something I didnt think was right, i just remembered that you dont live that long with nothing but luck. If i thought things were really about to hit the fan, id bring it to his attention. Im sorry, but most of the time its just not the place for a 500 hour guy to question a 20,000 hour guy. He's proved himself, you havent.

As far as the bar thing goes, Thats a matter thats best resolved one on one. If we were all honest i think we could all determine right off the bat if someone was unfit to fly just by talking to them for a few minutes. If my capt was obviously FUBAR, then we delay the trip for another reason than his boozing. I'm not going to make a public spectacle out of a private situation.

It's absolutely your place to question the guy with 20,000 hours sitting to your left. That's what the company pays you to do.

Ugh, I had an FO recently watch me bust a taxi clearance because he didn't care to speak up. We were told to hold short of an intersection, and being used to the usual clearance I drove right into it. He just sat there. I said "Wait, did they tell us to hold short?"

His response: "Yep." He'd seen the whole thing go down, knowingly, and didn't say a word to stop me.

What use is a pilot in the right seat if they just sit there logging time waiting for upgrade? None. Might as well fly single-pilot and save me the hassle.
 
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