What Keeps you at a 135?

Beside medevac or freight, anybody here ever had a 135 job with a set schedule? Once when I was over on APC a few years back I heard somebody mention the 135 shop they were at was run like a 121 outfit, set schedule and other similarities. How many of those 135's exist?
 
true, but it's something extra...definitely not 70k. That said, I totally agree with what was brought up about instability, it's a huge factor in 135. Again, no disrespect to anyone whatsoever but I guess alot it has to do with how you grew up to. My father retired at a wage of barely 40k a year. My parents are to most financially responsible ( they had to be) people I know. I never had a want for anything growing up, and they were always happy. For me I really do feel if I cannot make it on 100k are year that I must be doing something terribly wrong.

Oh, I'm not from money, trust me! If my parents made over $40K each before retiring I'd be hugely surprised.

But remember, they're a generation just off the Great Depression so they spend money a lot differently and even had pensions.

The generation I'm in, not that I participate in this school of thought, was taught that "as long as you follow the rules, there will be continuous prosperity", which is not the case, which is also why they're frustrated but also spend money a lot differently than their parents did.

But that $40k/year my father made with a pension, zero cost healthcare and the money I make now are a lot different. I have fewer tax deductions, pay more in social security (and will get less back), largely self-finance my own retirement, pay much more for healthcare premiums and there are more out-of-pocket expenses.

I'd darn near say that the mid-1970's $40K, adjusted for the cost of living and having to pay more for health coverage, financing retirement, higher education expenses and the true taxation might be our generation's $100K in 2016.

I really don't have the figures, or even know if it's truly an accurate statement as the above is all based on the perspective from my couch in front of the television.
 
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Beside medevac or freight, anybody here ever had a 135 job with a set schedule? Once when I was over on APC a few years back I heard somebody mention the 135 shop they were at was run like a 121 outfit, set schedule and other similarities. How many of those 135's exist?

My schedule at my last company and my present company both have set schedules. I could tell you what I'm doing work wise over a year out at my last company.
 
Oh, I'm not from money, trust me! If my parents made over $40K each before retiring I'd be hugely surprised.

But remember, they're a generation just off the Great Depression so they spend money a lot differently and even had pensions.

The generation I'm in, not that I participate in this school of thought, was taught that "as long as you follow the rules, there will be continuous prosperity", which is not the case, which is also why they're frustrated but also spend money a lot differently than their parents did.

But that $40k/year my father made with a pension, zero cost healthcare and the money I make now are a lot different. I have fewer tax deductions, pay more in social security (and will get less back), largely self-finance my own retirement, pay much more for healthcare premiums and there are more out-of-pocket expenses.

I'd darn near say that the mid-1970's $40K, adjusted for the cost of living and having to pay more for health coverage, financing retirement, higher education expenses and the true taxation might be our generation's $100K in 2016.

I really don't have the figures, or even know if it's truly an accurate statement as the above is all based on the perspective from my couch in front of the television.

DEFINITELY AGREE. Also based on anecdotal evidence but my dad didn't make 40k a year when I was a kid but my mom didn't work, they owned 2 cars, a house, and supported 4 kids on that pay. There is absolutely no way I could have done that the 40k a year I made at my last job.

I used to be one of those "money isn't everything" people. I still believe that if your personal life is a mess then more money won't make you happy, but money is extremely important to happiness. You can't be happy when you're wondering how you would cover a new set of tires or your wife all of a sudden has a couple seizures out of nowhere, gets a couple ambulance rides and spends four days in the hospital.

That's another reason why I don't leave 135/91. I have a family, a house, cars, bills and a life that I am finally really enjoying. I can't take a pay cut over the next several years without not only downgrading everything, but suspending the upgrades I am planning for over the next 5 years.

Edit to add: yes I know, I couldn't even get a call from a major and that's why I'm saying I can't take the pay cut.
 
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Btw, $40,000 in 1975 equals $179,000 today according to CPI inflation calculator.

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Im in 135 because Im one of those guys mentioned earlier in the thread who like to live in one of the more uninhabited parts of the country, and commuting would be virtually impossible with a 121 job. Granted, I am out for longer stretches than most 121 guys, but I also enjoy having a week off at a time, and being able to predict my schedule for the most part.
I would eventually like to get on with NetJets, or similar since I dont see myself moving from my current town, or switching to 121. I know the money wont be as good, but thats another perk of living in a small town...cost of living is cheap lol!
 
Beside medevac or freight, anybody here ever had a 135 job with a set schedule? Once when I was over on APC a few years back I heard somebody mention the 135 shop they were at was run like a 121 outfit, set schedule and other similarities. How many of those 135's exist?

We do. Set schedules, full benefits, good pay. Life is good.
 
It all depends on how you spend your money. If you have no debt, 100k is more than enough.
Not if you don't want to be a wage slave your entire life.

I'm not really disagreeing, but what is it you're doing that you can't live on $4500/mo? Serious question.
Why would anyone want to "live". I want to thrive. I want to retire. Hell, I want to be middle class(which adjusted for inflation starts about 100k now). This is why people accept crap money for jobs. Oh you can totally live on 30k. Buy why on earth would you?
 
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Oh, I'm not from money, trust me! If my parents made over $40K each before retiring I'd be hugely surprised.

But remember, they're a generation just off the Great Depression so they spend money a lot differently and even had pensions.

The generation I'm in, not that I participate in this school of thought, was taught that "as long as you follow the rules, there will be continuous prosperity", which is not the case, which is also why they're frustrated but also spend money a lot differently than their parents did.

But that $40k/year my father made with a pension, zero cost healthcare and the money I make now are a lot different. I have fewer tax deductions, pay more in social security (and will get less back), largely self-finance my own retirement, pay much more for healthcare premiums and there are more out-of-pocket expenses.

I'd darn near say that the mid-1970's $40K, adjusted for the cost of living and having to pay more for health coverage, financing retirement, higher education expenses and the true taxation might be our generation's $100K in 2016.

I really don't have the figures, or even know if it's truly an accurate statement as the above is all based on the perspective from my couch in front of the television.
I wonder how many 74 FOs made 17k a year in 1975.
 
I wonder how many 74 FOs made 17k a year in 1975.

In 1975 anyone flying a 74 wouldn't accept dog• wages. Also they were getting dollars still mostly based on a gold standard, which had just stopped happening in the 1970s.

So the answer to you question is no one.
 
Beside medevac or freight, anybody here ever had a 135 job with a set schedule? Once when I was over on APC a few years back I heard somebody mention the 135 shop they were at was run like a 121 outfit, set schedule and other similarities. How many of those 135's exist?
Flexjet mirrors 121 schedule. PBS style bidding, vacation, holidays...usual schedules are 4-6 On then 4-6 off(senior guys seem to do 4 and 4) Airline out on fist and last day.

Captain pay is somewhat comparable to the majors, FO pay is on par with 1st year but then lags significantly behind after that....401k and retirements isn't even close to 121 Majors (but most jobs aren't)
 
One plus for 121 is that you show up, fly your plane, go home. All of your expectations are spelled out for you in the FOM, OM, and contract (or if your'e at Skywest "contract"). Yeah, I spent just shy of 8 years in the right seat of an RJ, but as long as it wasn't pay day, it was really easy to leave work at work and enjoy my days off.

"Hey, look...the company is calling me on a day off..." *click*

I'd imagine the fractionals are the best of both worlds.
 
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Beside medevac or freight, anybody here ever had a 135 job with a set schedule? Once when I was over on APC a few years back I heard somebody mention the 135 shop they were at was run like a 121 outfit, set schedule and other similarities. How many of those 135's exist?

Yes. Dumont runs a 12/10 or 12/8 depending on the airplane. Wheels Up runs an 8/6, TMC and DPJ both run similar types of schedules.
 
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