Went to the USAF Recruiters today...advice? is this legit?

Re: Went to the USAF Recruiters today...advice? is this legi

Cool. im on my way to the joint-station now. ill have more updates from all of the branches when i get back. thanks!

-Tyler
 
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No it's not voluntary but voluntold! Their also doing the same with the Navy. One of my buddies is in aviation supply and got voluntold that he was going to be an "augmentee" with the Army. They sent him to Ft Jackson in S.C. for training and off he went to Iraq to augment an Army aviation supply battalion or whatever they call em. He hated every day he was there. That wasn't in his contract when he joined! I'm so glad I got out when I did!

This is true, I can be told any time that I am selected for individual augmentation and then the fun starts :nana2:

This Iraq thing is gonna last looooooong time no matter what they say on tv.
 
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I'm glad I only have a year left so hopefuly by the time I get out there will be a cfi slot somewhere for me to "augment" :D
New recruits, good luck :hiya::D
 
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wow... what a day. i talked with the USAF recruiters again and he kept talking about the 4 job thingy again. we talked some more about the process and i filled out more paperwork. he also stated about how i could go in for 4 active and 6 active, nothing new. he did however explain Palis Chase[?sp] not really sure on that but it has to do with transferring from the active USAF to the guard..
nothing else was really gained from that one...

then, i walked across the hall to the NAVY...

boy, let me tell u, i was impressed. even their office was 100% better then the AF.

-he said he could guarantee my MOS. he explained how ATC works in the navy. 8.5 weeks of basic in Chicago and then 16 weeks of AIT in Pensacola, Florida. then he said most ATC's [navy calls them AC's] get throw on big boats for their first tour. like big air craft carriers! that actually sounds pretty cool. really he was telling me the same stuff the others were telling me however he was saying that he could get me into ATC if my scores permitted.

-he was talking about ATC's on LHA's, LHT's, and LHD's?
-he said id have to go in for 5 years active because thats what ATC's go in for typically in the Navy.
-he said u get deployed for around 6 months or so once every 2 years.

so basically, im waiting to take the test thursday and get my results asap!
 
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Why do you think so many of us squids were telling you to GO NAVY! :D

That's why I said before about your ATC "base"/aircraft carrier being able to move around the world. Every day you could be ATCing in a totally different area of the globe than the day before with the added benefit of seeing different countries and experiencing different cultures along the way.

I see your ? about LHAs and LHDs. They are the next biggest ship in the fleet after the Aircraft Carriers. They are part of the "Gator" (amphibious) Navy whose primary mission is to deliver Marines (OohRah!) and their equipment wherever they need to go. Thus, helos, harriers, and possibly Ospreys in the future, would be the types of aircraft you would control being stationed on one. I know this because I spent a little over 4 years on this lovable, little shoebox known as the USS Bataan (LHD-5):
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Oh yeah, did you ever find out about the enlistment bonuses?
 
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Damn, that looks like quite the boat! the Navy recruiter just called me a second ago and said that if i would enlist within the next couple weeks, he could have me leaving after new years in january so i dont have to worry about leave for xmas and the holidays... he did say ATC was a limited selection job as in the Navy does not take too many of them but he said there would be a spot for me if we worked quickly enough. he said he was talking with the guys at MEPS today about it.

Sign-on bonus - he said he wouldnt know what it would be like because they change all of the time and he hasnt had anyone in his office for ATC in awhile. however, he did show me this file of a few SEALS, they get $39,500 as a sign-on bonus to become a Navy SEAL. crazy eh?

i guess ill know more when i see if i qualify for the programs first. then ill know about the sign-on bonus. unless u guys know more...?
 
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Remember that the Navy Recruiter is still a "recruiter and has quotas. Stick to your guns and don't budge, even if he tries to sweet talk you into another rating. He's make AC sound as if it's trying to get in Navy Seals. I can't believe how uch the Navy has streamlines a lot of their ratings. They actually made SEAL it's own rating of SO (Special Warfare Operator)as well as EOD and the Special Warefare boat guys got their own rating called SB. JEP would be an MC (Mass Communication Specialist);):D, I'd have been converted to an AW(Non ASW) That was a dumb azz move!:mad:

Anyhoo, AC isn't that hard to get as long as you're qulafied for it with your ASVAB and medical. All the recruiter has to do is call his district and get the current enlistment bonuses and what ratings qualify for them. It come out as a NAVADMIN message from BUPERS (Navy Bureau of Personnel) in Millington TN. He needs to go over his notes from recruiting school!:rolleyes: Anyways, If you do join and have to wait till January, all the time you're in the Delayed Enlistment Program (DEP) counts towards your reserve commitment at the end of your enlistment. So say you do 7 yrs active duty, you will have one year of reserve duty time. Yeah it's actually an 8 yrs contract!:hiya: 4-5 active and 3-4 reserve. It doesn't have to be active reserve which is the one weekend a month;two weeks a year, but can be inactive which you are in the reserves but do not actively drill. Though you are still eligible to be recalled to active duty depending on your rate and how bad your reserve unit needs to man itself. But you can subtract the accrued time you were in the DEP program from your reserve commitment which is cool. Just somemore pertinant info for you.:)
 
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The AF DOES have guaranteed jobs...they are out there and they CAN set you up. I will say that I have love my job and the AF has treated me VERY well. I will say that as a junior enlisted guy, your chances of going to the "sandbox" is very good. There is a training squadron in Keesler that teaches convoy stuff for us AF dudes that may get tagged to go with an Army unit. It's just the game right now...too many AF people, not enough Army people. Also, the reserves are a good deal, but hang around long enough and you WILL be activated...there is no free lunch!

Anyway, just my two cents worth on the AF...and yeah, I have been to some fabulous places and if we aren't staying in a Crowne Plaza, we are usually whining pretty bad!!! :nana2:

If you have questions on Palace Chase, let me know. I will tell you this though; If you go ATC, and take a bonus, your chances of doing the Palace Chase is next to none...
 
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Hey buddy, I'm a Navy guy also. I'm still fresh in the Navy so I'm still up on the workings of MEPS, DEP, bootcamp, and "A" school. I've also been deployed, and I know a few ACs, so hopefully I can offer you a little insight.

First and foremost, get AC in your contract. If it means leaving a little later, then by all means do it. Once your in the system, (enlisted, or first time to MEPS) you can tell you recruiter to let you now of there are any earlier openings to leave for bootcamp. This happens frequently as people drop from DEP, or bootcamp, which then leads to the Navy sending out another billet for an AC for the date in which this person was assigned. Asked for bonuses, these days pretty much any rate will have a $3000 to $6000 dollar enlistment bonus. Usually you may need to extend your contract by 1, or 2 years in order to get the bonus. I know though, AC is an automatic 5-year enlistment. This is because the intense schooling you will go through. It's not an overnight, "hey read this book and your an ATC" type of thing, it's taking a fresh high-school grad, and giving him the responsibility of controlling 10+ military aircraft in the sky. Pretty cool though! The good thing with the Navy is when to go to MEPS the second time, or right before you leave for bootcamp, everything is said and done and your already scheduled to attend AC "A" school. None of this "we'll see when you get to bootcamp" stuff like other branches may have. So it's up to you to make it to "A" school. An easy task!

As for as life as an AC. Well I would say there ship/shore percentages are almost the same. You'll have a good shot at going to a ship, or to a land base. Each has it's pros and cons. If your young, single, and like to have a good time, I'd say go for sea duty on a ship. If you want a "normal" lifestyle, want more time for college, hobbies, family, go for a shore duty. I don't know how they assign initial commands down there in airdale land, but for engineers we go straight to ships, and a 5 year sea tour.

If you go to a ship, you'll most likely go to a CVN, LHD, or LHA. Life will be really good on these ships as they have the best QOL. Internet underway, college professors on board, a galley that never closes, sea pay, and the big one, the chance to see the world. Now, let me just say though, these larger ships are capable of being at sea for some time. Most deployments are 6 months. Carriers have been running 7, 8, sometimes 9 month deployments. My buddy is on the John C. Stennis, a carrier, which is on an 8 month deployment. My next boat, the Harry S. Truman, also a carrier leaves in November of this year for a 7 month deployment. Yes, it may seem like a long time, but believe me, it flies by. You'll see a huge amount of the world, eh and a lot of water. You'll have the opportunity to make a great deal of money as most of your time will be in a hazardous duty area, as well as a tax free zone. And did I mention the sunset in the middle of the Atlantic ocean is bar none!

...and remember, if you chose to be a sailor, remember this, sailors belong on ships, and ships belong at sea.

There are probably many pros to being shore based, but since I am on a ship I don't have the credentials to comment on shore duty. The biggest plus would probably be the added time to take college classes. Something I wish I had more time to do myself. It can be done on a ship, and believe me many are doing it including myself, it is just a little harder.

So after ONE whole year in the Navy, and at 19 years old. *that's not saying very much.* I've been to: Portugal, Spain, France, Greece, Crete, Bahrain, Seychelles, and Djibouti. I've crossed the Atlantic twice, I've transited the Suez Canal by ship, I've earned enough money to finish my PPL, and get a good portion of my instrument finished, and have earned 22 college credits towards an associates degree in Marine Engineering. It's been a crazy year, and something I'll never forget. All of my friends who went on to 4-year universities can't even touch what I've done this past year.

All aside man, if I could go back a year and a half, I'd still join the Navy. It's been an incredible opportunity for me to mature and really learn about life, and what it's like to grow up. You may have a few moments of doubt and uncertainty along the way, I know I did, and it's completely normal, but when you sit down and look at the big picture you will realize it was the best decision of your life. Do I think I'll be better prepared to chase my dream of becoming an airline pilot when I get out? Absolutely. You'll soon realize the military in general is going to give you the confidence, and motivation to go out and accomplish anything you want. You'll come out a more disciplined and committed person than before you went in, trust me. After one year of this, I know I've change, my family knows I've change, and especially my friends. And for the better! You'll walk taller, stand prouder, and most of all, when you walk pass someone on the street, or in the store, you'll know because of you're sacrifice, you're honor, and you're commitment, they're freedoms are still there, and won't be getting taken away anytime soon!

Go for it man! :)
 
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OCflyguy88, what ship are you on currently?
 
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OCflyguy88, what ship are you on currently?

Currently stationed on the USS Shreveport LPD-12, which is due to decommission 26th September. I'll be transferring to the USS Harry S. Truman CVN-75. I'm looking forward to it, but I won't forgot my roots... old school, steam plants! The Shreve was a good ship, she brought me home in one piece and taught me a ton about my rate. :)
 
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FWIW... out of Norfolk. Sadly. :(
My condolences. :D

The Shreveport was part of our ARG during my first deployment. She ran aground when we were transiting the Suez on our way back home. Man, did I feel sorry for those poor saps.
 
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Hey buddy, I'm a Navy guy also. I'm still fresh in the Navy so I'm still up on the workings of MEPS, DEP, bootcamp, and "A" school. I've also been deployed, and I know a few ACs, so hopefully I can offer you a little insight.

First and foremost, get AC in your contract. If it means leaving a little later, then by all means do it. Once your in the system, (enlisted, or first time to MEPS) you can tell you recruiter to let you now of there are any earlier openings to leave for bootcamp. This happens frequently as people drop from DEP, or bootcamp, which then leads to the Navy sending out another billet for an AC for the date in which this person was assigned. Asked for bonuses, these days pretty much any rate will have a $3000 to $6000 dollar enlistment bonus. Usually you may need to extend your contract by 1, or 2 years in order to get the bonus. I know though, AC is an automatic 5-year enlistment. This is because the intense schooling you will go through. It's not an overnight, "hey read this book and your an ATC" type of thing, it's taking a fresh high-school grad, and giving him the responsibility of controlling 10+ military aircraft in the sky. Pretty cool though! The good thing with the Navy is when to go to MEPS the second time, or right before you leave for bootcamp, everything is said and done and your already scheduled to attend AC "A" school. None of this "we'll see when you get to bootcamp" stuff like other branches may have. So it's up to you to make it to "A" school. An easy task!

As for as life as an AC. Well I would say there ship/shore percentages are almost the same. You'll have a good shot at going to a ship, or to a land base. Each has it's pros and cons. If your young, single, and like to have a good time, I'd say go for sea duty on a ship. If you want a "normal" lifestyle, want more time for college, hobbies, family, go for a shore duty. I don't know how they assign initial commands down there in airdale land, but for engineers we go straight to ships, and a 5 year sea tour.

If you go to a ship, you'll most likely go to a CVN, LHD, or LHA. Life will be really good on these ships as they have the best QOL. Internet underway, college professors on board, a galley that never closes, sea pay, and the big one, the chance to see the world. Now, let me just say though, these larger ships are capable of being at sea for some time. Most deployments are 6 months. Carriers have been running 7, 8, sometimes 9 month deployments. My buddy is on the John C. Stennis, a carrier, which is on an 8 month deployment. My next boat, the Harry S. Truman, also a carrier leaves in November of this year for a 7 month deployment. Yes, it may seem like a long time, but believe me, it flies by. You'll see a huge amount of the world, eh and a lot of water. You'll have the opportunity to make a great deal of money as most of your time will be in a hazardous duty area, as well as a tax free zone. And did I mention the sunset in the middle of the Atlantic ocean is bar none!

...and remember, if you chose to be a sailor, remember this, sailors belong on ships, and ships belong at sea.

There are probably many pros to being shore based, but since I am on a ship I don't have the credentials to comment on shore duty. The biggest plus would probably be the added time to take college classes. Something I wish I had more time to do myself. It can be done on a ship, and believe me many are doing it including myself, it is just a little harder.

So after ONE whole year in the Navy, and at 19 years old. *that's not saying very much.* I've been to: Portugal, Spain, France, Greece, Crete, Bahrain, Seychelles, and Djibouti. I've crossed the Atlantic twice, I've transited the Suez Canal by ship, I've earned enough money to finish my PPL, and get a good portion of my instrument finished, and have earned 22 college credits towards an associates degree in Marine Engineering. It's been a crazy year, and something I'll never forget. All of my friends who went on to 4-year universities can't even touch what I've done this past year.

All aside man, if I could go back a year and a half, I'd still join the Navy. It's been an incredible opportunity for me to mature and really learn about life, and what it's like to grow up. You may have a few moments of doubt and uncertainty along the way, I know I did, and it's completely normal, but when you sit down and look at the big picture you will realize it was the best decision of your life. Do I think I'll be better prepared to chase my dream of becoming an airline pilot when I get out? Absolutely. You'll soon realize the military in general is going to give you the confidence, and motivation to go out and accomplish anything you want. You'll come out a more disciplined and committed person than before you went in, trust me. After one year of this, I know I've change, my family knows I've change, and especially my friends. And for the better! You'll walk taller, stand prouder, and most of all, when you walk pass someone on the street, or in the store, you'll know because of you're sacrifice, you're honor, and you're commitment, they're freedoms are still there, and won't be getting taken away anytime soon!

Go for it man! :)

that was so beautifully presented and said. i almost got a tear in my eye. that makes my decision seem so much easier to figure out! thanks for giving me your honest opinion. that really helps. u have NO idea! i appreciate it.

so did u make alot of money while u were on your tours on the sea? does it just sit in your bank account while u are gone? that would be sweet to come back from your tour and find thousands of dollars just sitting there ready to be spent on a new car!

how much of a bonus is sea pay per month and hazard duty pay?

the only thing holding me back from signing tomorrow after the ASVAB is my girlfriend of 1.5 years. :( sad day right?

im so glad i found this forum.

-Tyler
 
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that was so beautifully presented and said. i almost got a tear in my eye. that makes my decision seem so much easier to figure out! thanks for giving me your honest opinion. that really helps. u have NO idea! i appreciate it.

so did u make alot of money while u were on your tours on the sea? does it just sit in your bank account while u are gone? that would be sweet to come back from your tour and find thousands of dollars just sitting there ready to be spent on a new car!

how much of a bonus is sea pay per month and hazard duty pay?

the only thing holding me back from signing tomorrow after the ASVAB is my girlfriend of 1.5 years. :( sad day right?

im so glad i found this forum.

-Tyler

I've gone on long enough and can't help myself...

You are an AP student with a 5.8 GPA, right? Then I BEG of you... please, please, pretty please, clean up the grammar! Your posts look like they belong on a 12 year old's MySpace page!

Sorry, rant over.
 
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that was so beautifully presented and said. i almost got a tear in my eye. that makes my decision seem so much easier to figure out! thanks for giving me your honest opinion. that really helps. u have NO idea! i appreciate it.

so did u make alot of money while u were on your tours on the sea? does it just sit in your bank account while u are gone? that would be sweet to come back from your tour and find thousands of dollars just sitting there ready to be spent on a new car!

how much of a bonus is sea pay per month and hazard duty pay?

the only thing holding me back from signing tomorrow after the ASVAB is my girlfriend of 1.5 years. :( sad day right?

im so glad i found this forum.

-Tyler

Well, your welcome. I'm glad I could help.

To answer your question about sea pay and other types of special pay, the Navy uses a direct deposit system. Well actually all DOD branches have this, so this is a general system. It's a great idea really. When you are in boot camp you'll have the opportunity to choose one of two Navy affiliated banks, or your own "home" bank to have your paychecks deposited into. So when in boot camp, you're pay will automatically show up in the bank account of you're choice on the 1st and 15th of the month. Same thing goes once out of boot camp. No pay stubs, no more depositing paychecks at the bank on Friday. It just shows up.

The cool thing about that is, when your own deployment you won't be going out and spending like crazy, so the money just accumulates. When you get back from a 6 month cruise you'll have a nice sum waiting for you. I know I did! And I even managed to splurged a little in Bahrain. :)

On my last deployment I was making roughly $800 per paycheck as an E-3 under 2 years. Now that I am back in port and minus hazardous duty pay and tax free pay my take home per pay check is roughly $570 dollars. So you figure roughly $200 to $250 dollars of extra pay a pay period for an E-3. That's pretty good.

Deployments are long, but the money is great (for a young single guy that is), especially if you have an expensive hobby like flying airplanes. Most of my friends came back and bought brand new cars with their cash as it was a nice down payment. To each his own.

As for as the girlfriend issue, well I don't have a girlfriend, so I can't comment on that subject. I'd imagine it'll be hard at first, and it's definitely an adjustment you will need to get used to. I know people that never did get used to it, some did rather quickly. I guess it just depends on you and your girlfriend and how you will handle being away from each other. Most of my friends have girlfriends and do rather well. A lot have married their girlfriends recently as well, and by taking it to the next level, the Navy will also be shelling out evening more money to you and you new bride. If it's serious, I'd definitely talk to her about what you thinking about doing.

Always remember though, you're young, and without much responsibility, do what is best for you now so you won't be regretting it later on.

Hope that helps!
 
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Unless you're married, don't base your life's decisions on women! It's a good general rule to follow in life. I really didn't give a rats azz if my girlfriend cared or not. It's actually a great test. If she loves you she'll support you in "almost" any decision you make, if not she's being selfish and it's not going to work. I've seen many a man pass up big opportunities to be with their girlfriends only to regret it later after they are sans girlfriends. It's make or break time and only you can make the decision.;)
 
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Well, your welcome. I'm glad I could help.

To answer your question about sea pay and other types of special pay, the Navy uses a direct deposit system. Well actually all DOD branches have this, so this is a general system. It's a great idea really. When you are in boot camp you'll have the opportunity to choose one of two Navy affiliated banks, or your own "home" bank to have your paychecks deposited into. So when in boot camp, you're pay will automatically show up in the bank account of you're choice on the 1st and 15th of the month. Same thing goes once out of boot camp. No pay stubs, no more depositing paychecks at the bank on Friday. It just shows up.

The cool thing about that is, when your own deployment you won't be going out and spending like crazy, so the money just accumulates. When you get back from a 6 month cruise you'll have a nice sum waiting for you. I know I did! And I even managed to splurged a little in Bahrain. :)

On my last deployment I was making roughly $800 per paycheck as an E-3 under 2 years. Now that I am back in port and minus hazardous duty pay and tax free pay my take home per pay check is roughly $570 dollars. So you figure roughly $200 to $250 dollars of extra pay a pay period for an E-3. That's pretty good.

Deployments are long, but the money is great (for a young single guy that is), especially if you have an expensive hobby like flying airplanes. Most of my friends came back and bought brand new cars with their cash as it was a nice down payment. To each his own.

As for as the girlfriend issue, well I don't have a girlfriend, so I can't comment on that subject. I'd imagine it'll be hard at first, and it's definitely an adjustment you will need to get used to. I know people that never did get used to it, some did rather quickly. I guess it just depends on you and your girlfriend and how you will handle being away from each other. Most of my friends have girlfriends and do rather well. A lot have married their girlfriends recently as well, and by taking it to the next level, the Navy will also be shelling out evening more money to you and you new bride. If it's serious, I'd definitely talk to her about what you thinking about doing.

Always remember though, you're young, and without much responsibility, do what is best for you now so you won't be regretting it later on.

Hope that helps!

$570.00!:eek: You must have some allotments or you're getting taxed to death! You're an E-4 now, go out and live in town and get BAS and BAH man screw livin on the boat, plus you get more pocket change!;)
 
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ASVAB: Here i come. I will have more questions based off of my talks with MEPS today. Thank you for your opinions and information.

Good day to all!


edit- turns out that the recuiter just called 5 minutes ago to tell me that MEPS isnt taking anyone for testing today because it is close dor something silly. so much for taking off work for them. that really sucks. damnit!
 
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On the girlfriend issue...As young men that is definitly one tough thing we all face when thinking about the military because, when talking about the military, we all know that means there will long times of seperation. When I was at USAF field training I was miserable being away from my GF. It made it very tough, in fact, more tough than it should have been. However, you have to look at things in the big picture. Being in the Military offers you a chance to do many things you would not otherwise have a chance to do and the best time you have to do it is at the young age you would be when serving. There will always be girls in the world and if she really loves you than it will last through anything, if not you save yourself some money and will find the right one in the future:)
Follow your heart brother, and in the end it will all work out how it's supposed to
 
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