Washout rate for OTS at Level 12 facility
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GnW
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sub-stdrd phrsology girl
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BoomerSooner77
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Sorry, I used the interchangeably... make the ARTCC say enroute or the enroute say ARTCC and re read.
sub-stdrd phrsology girl
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venividibitchy
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Barty
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I'd guess you'd hear something relatively soon. It was about 6-7 weeks before I got my AT-SAT notification from the 5/2 bid and I just took it today. I think everyone in this round should be finishing up by the end of the week.
Since Robinson Aviation is who handles the test administration, I suspect that your wait probably revolves around them planning on where the next test sites are going to be and getting the equipment and personnel staged first.
menglish1
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ATLTracon - It's surprising that you guys haven't had a new hire check out thats really depressing. Makes me glad that i'm going to a level 6 or 7 up down here in indiana or at most I'll get indy tower a level 9 but I'm hoping for the level 7 FWA. Really though if you haven't had a single person check out I think they need to revise the training program. If everyone of my flight students failed the checkride the FAA would start looking at me as an instructor. Hopefully these level 7s have a decent training program and I'll get through it.
RetiredATLATC
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It has nothing to do with the training program. It has to do with the fact that we work over 4200+ aircraft per day and it is overwhelming. Toss in some of the busiest satellite airspace, the busiest airport in the world and weather and you have a recipe for failure. A level 4-8 or 9 or an ARTCC is the PERFECT place to learn how to do the job. This goes for not just OTS, but for military and contract ATC folks. We have some here and they are doing no better than any OTS would.
Edward
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I wanted a lower level facility just for the reasons you have stated in the past. I chose RI and MA...two 7's, two 8's and a 10. They gave me the 10 (BOS Tower). When I asked if it would be possible to start lower, they said no. I did have the option to decline the offer, reapply and go through the process all over again. Then, I would have to give an explanation that would be good enough for the next hiring panel to justify giving me another offer.
So, I will just study my butt off and hope that I don't become another statistic.
RetiredATLATC
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I can't talk for ZTL, but I can tell you that on arrival in ATL at any given time I may be working app. 12 comercial aircraft inbound from one fix. 3-5 miles apart depending on whether there are any Heavies or B757's involved. On satellite, between 10-17 or so. Departure about a dozen. The ATL ATCT will depart an aircraft app. every 45 seconds or less putting them three miles apart, then you toss in the satellite corporate jets that need to be put in-trail, weather and it makes for a fun day. Check out Chris Barnes comments http://forums.jetcareers.com/air-traffic-control/69604-thank-you-atltracon.html or maybe he could give you some insight as to what he say. Course it was a Saturday and traffic is sloooooow during the mid-day.
Stinger
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At NCT the daily traffic counts are somewhere around 4100. Today there were 3 new-hires that showed up...not sure if they were OTS or VRA though. I'd say there's between 10 and 15 developmentals currently in training but I don't know what percentage actually get checked out.
GnW
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that makes me feel a lot better. in CTI school we ran a problem with ~16 departures/16 arrivals not including a few satellites, handoffs, overflights, and practice approaches. we integrated center, tower, and approach in real time but the only guys really sweating were on approach. have to say i lost track of my strips a few times, but everyone got where they needed to go and i didnt have to point out more than a couple to approach south.
scenario was ~35-40 minutes long so we had about 12-15 to work at any given time. best time i ever had
i've also seen a couple scenarios at ZBW in the DYSIM that have made me sweat just pseudo piloting (ART western flow problems)... but thankfully everyone's pretty much flying the same route into ZOB and all you have to do is work on the spacing. probably 20-30 in those bastards.
edit: i hope you didnt mean you were working all of those areas at once
wynnpoe3
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I would like to chime in on this topic.
I arrived at ATL today with a person from the tower waiting to pick me up and take me over there to listen in for a while. He has been a family friend and controller for a very long time. I was able to plug in at about four positions (they were running all 5 runways, per normal) , and was able to talk with, and listen to probably seven different controllers. Some were veterans of 15+ years, and two of the people were only there for three months (they were the most fun as they were closer to my age).
There was one common question that came out of every single one of their mouths, "are you wanting to come here after OKC, if you make it through?" My response was, "not a chance." They, every single one of them, said pretty much the exact same thing, "that is the smartest thing I have heard someone say in quite some time."
Just from that response, it really does show that people should start early. They said that new controllers that get sent to ATL, LGA, ORD, ect., get thrown to the wolves right off the bat. If they can handle it, which most don't seem to be able to, good for them, but those people are very few and far between.
Needless to say, I did get to see some cool stuff. Right as the departure push was happening, they had to switch runways due to wind. It was quite a sight to see 12+ lined up for one runway, then another 10 starting to lineup for the other, and with some crafty work by the controller I was watching, the 12+ that had to change, got out with very little delay. That was by one of the newer controllers, but then again, he was former air force controller.
I arrived at ATL today with a person from the tower waiting to pick me up and take me over there to listen in for a while. He has been a family friend and controller for a very long time. I was able to plug in at about four positions (they were running all 5 runways, per normal) , and was able to talk with, and listen to probably seven different controllers. Some were veterans of 15+ years, and two of the people were only there for three months (they were the most fun as they were closer to my age).
There was one common question that came out of every single one of their mouths, "are you wanting to come here after OKC, if you make it through?" My response was, "not a chance." They, every single one of them, said pretty much the exact same thing, "that is the smartest thing I have heard someone say in quite some time."
Just from that response, it really does show that people should start early. They said that new controllers that get sent to ATL, LGA, ORD, ect., get thrown to the wolves right off the bat. If they can handle it, which most don't seem to be able to, good for them, but those people are very few and far between.
Needless to say, I did get to see some cool stuff. Right as the departure push was happening, they had to switch runways due to wind. It was quite a sight to see 12+ lined up for one runway, then another 10 starting to lineup for the other, and with some crafty work by the controller I was watching, the 12+ that had to change, got out with very little delay. That was by one of the newer controllers, but then again, he was former air force controller.
A lot of us out there that have been following this thread closely did not get to choose to be at a busy facility off the bat. My application said "throughout North Carolina." They gave me Charlotte (level 12).
It seems like you either get it or don't. I haven't heard any responses saying that trainees didn't understand 'this aspect' or that they weren't studying enough. Or trainees should especially pay attention to that.
Good luck to others who are in the same boat.
It seems like you either get it or don't. I haven't heard any responses saying that trainees didn't understand 'this aspect' or that they weren't studying enough. Or trainees should especially pay attention to that.
Good luck to others who are in the same boat.
Hey I'm with you. I intend to do the best I can and if I can't hang then I can't hang. I'm not going to go jump off a bridge. I am just welcoming it as a challenge which is when I usually give my best effort anyways. Although I did kind of force the issue considering I only put GA as my geo pref and I requested ATL ATCT, ATL TRACON, or ZTL in the comments section.
This is VERY contrary to what I have been told.
I am at OKC right now and have 2 weeks left til i go to ATL ATCT along with one other girl in my class. 3 others in my class are going to Charlotte, which is also a 12. 3 of us are CTI and the other 2 are VRA, and we are all excited about it instead of dreading it like some people seem to think about bigger facilities. We didn't get a choice, thats where they put us.
The girl in my class also visited ATL right before she came to OKC city and everyone she talked to about it loved working there and were very excited that both of us would be coming out there in a couple of months. Every instructor at the academy that I ask about ATL says its a great place to work, and you just have to try hard and work at it if you want to succeed. One of these instructors was at ATL for 18 years.
I also talked to the support specialist Colleen something at ATL tower yesterday and asked about some of these stats, and she said they have around 4 or 5 in training right now, all doing well, and a CTI is doing the best.
I just hate coming on this forum and looking at everyone hating on big facilities, and it mainly seems to come from the OTS people. I think I will get out of ATL what I put into it...
