Washing out of training

Bandit_Driver said:
The automation is what killed both people. They just didn't get the autopilot and/or the FMS
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Same experience here. One guy was a 1900 Captain that couldn't grasp the glass and automation, he was booted in the sim. The other guy was older and had thousands of dual given, he was booted after OE but still on probation.

A Saab captain was also booted but it was for "attitude" issues.
 
BajtheJino said:
Yes, memorization is very important. People without College Degrees are worthless...Shouldnt you have put a ":sarcasm:" after that? People that pay for 4 years of day care at most university are no better than the other guy thats just as intellegent. Life is not about what school you went to or what Frat you were in.
Yes, I have a degree.
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boy, someone jumped into offensive mode pretty darn fast. maybe you should reread what was actually said...he didn't say anything about "what" school etc...nor that folks without college degrees are worthless...just that if you have a college degree, then you understand *better* what it is "to study" and can apply the same type of principles which is actually a benefit to your training.

why do you really think the big boys want someone with college degrees? part of the proof is right there.
 
Well so far, I've made it through indoc and systems ground. I studied my tail off and scored a 99% on the systems test. I take training very seriously, because I don't want a wash out on my record. Some guys in a class before us spent all of their free time out drinking. Not good.

I have my sim checkride tomorrow. My sim partner and I studied for the first week on flows/callouts and now we have them down pretty good. Our sim peformance has been very good and last night we ran through a mock checkride. The instructor didn't even have a critique for me other then going a little faster on my circle approach. But I had a V1 cut, and aborted take off, a SE missed approach, an NDB hold and circle to land approach. I pretty much nailed everything, which felt pretty darn good considering we've only been in the sim for a little over a week. I am nervous as heck about the checkride though. If I can get through the oral and just fly like I did last night, I should be fine. Today we're studying the heck out of the flight operations manual. I know my systems pretty well inside and out, but the stuff from indoc is a little rough. Hopefully things will go well.

I didn't go to college, but I have 4 years in the military. I advanced to Machinery technician with no school, just self study to pass the test. More importantly, the discipline gained from the military is the determining factor in how I prepare. Everyone studies and learns differently. The important thing is that you study hard, give it everything you've got and take it seriously. Hopefully tomorrow night I'll make it past the checkride, but I'm not taking any chances. Back to the books....
 
Airdale said:
Well so far, I've made it through indoc and systems ground. I studied my tail off and scored a 99% on the systems test. I take training very seriously, because I don't want a wash out on my record. Some guys in a class before us spent all of their free time out drinking. Not good.

I have my sim checkride tomorrow. My sim partner and I studied for the first week on flows/callouts and now we have them down pretty good. Our sim peformance has been very good and last night we ran through a mock checkride. The instructor didn't even have a critique for me other then going a little faster on my circle approach. But I had a V1 cut, and aborted take off, a SE missed approach, an NDB hold and circle to land approach. I pretty much nailed everything, which felt pretty darn good considering we've only been in the sim for a little over a week. I am nervous as heck about the checkride though. If I can get through the oral and just fly like I did last night, I should be fine. Today we're studying the heck out of the flight operations manual. I know my systems pretty well inside and out, but the stuff from indoc is a little rough. Hopefully things will go well.

I didn't go to college, but I have 4 years in the military. I advanced to Machinery technician with no school, just self study to pass the test. More importantly, the discipline gained from the military is the determining factor in how I prepare. Everyone studies and learns differently. The important thing is that you study hard, give it everything you've got and take it seriously. Hopefully tomorrow night I'll make it past the checkride, but I'm not taking any chances. Back to the books....
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I'm a self-studier myself - essentially teaching myself the instrument ground school stuff with the help of an online instructor. Some people definitely work better that way.
 
What type of tools do you have outside of the classroom? I mean I know you have all the manuals, but are there any CD's, DVD's, software, posters, etc....
 
Jayrock said:
What type of tools do you have outside of the classroom? I mean I know you have all the manuals, but are there any CD's, DVD's, software, posters, etc....
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No CD's, no software, no videos. Just a cockpit poster and your manuals. Taking notes in class is very important. I have over 30 pages of notes, which include hand drawn out schematics of each system. You learn the system much better when you draw it out. Also, I have about 100 index cards which include memory items for Warning annunciators, descriptions of yellow caution advisories, green and white advisories as well as, profiles, callouts and emergency immediate action items. I killed a lot of trees in training. :D
 
mattp1803 said:
May 12th baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The past 4 years have flown by! I can't wait to completely focus on flying now, and not flying/communication studies lol.
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May 12th here too! Everything after that will deal with aviation only! Talk about a burden lifted off your shoulders!
 
butt said:
I don't understand. What happens to you when you "washout" of training? Do you go back to your old job? Are you now unemployed? Does flunking your training make for a really bad mark on your "record", and effect your chances of employment in the future?
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Depends on your attitude!

Seriously. If you have a bad attitude and a washout (remember the pilot records improvement act?) you're toast.

But if you have a good attitude, pick yourself up and find a way to spin the situation into a learning experience, you'll do ok.

You may or may not get your first choice of companies to work for, but at least you can get back in the game.

Remember *every* training event can have a potential negative (and positive!) effect on your career so plan accordingly.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Depends on your attitude!

Seriously. If you have a bad attitude and a washout (remember the pilot records improvement act?) you're toast.

But if you have a good attitude, pick yourself up and find a way to spin the situation into a learning experience, you'll do ok.

You may or may not get your first choice of companies to work for, but at least you can get back in the game.

Remember *every* training event can have a potential negative (and positive!) effect on your career so plan accordingly.
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VERY VERY VERY true.

Also, having subpar skills AND a bad attitude *can* get you washed MUCH faster than a pilot with subpar skills but one heck of a work ethic.
 
I did PP and am finishing IFR all self studying! I got some dvd's for both and lots of reading. Very important to answer lots and lots of questions from the books like ASA test prep. For the comm/ME/CFI/CFII/MEI I will not get any dvd...just books. I came to the conclusion they are better then dvds. Everything is on the books!

Got my PPL with 36 hours. I tried to study as much as possible before meeting with the CFI..I figure the more I know the less time needed in ground instruction the less $$ spent. Man I'm a cheap son of a b...
 
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