Warn Notice Issued To Eagle Dfw Atr Pilots

I'm not understanding this exactly, Eagle is an ALPA carrier with a seniority based contract. How can they furlough a specified group? They can eliminate the positions but would a new permanent bid have to go out for the whole company?
 
Who knows what is going to happen. I all know is that bankruptcy has a way of messing everything up.
 
Unless the judge approves an equipment based furlough, you are correct about the company based furlough requirement. I also don't understand why this WARN notice would only go out to DFW ATR crews because the contract would dictate the bottom x numbers of people on the master seniority list recieve this notice if x amount of furloughs were possible. Yes, the ATR crews will be displaced but that doesn't require a WARN letter (i think) plus they never gave out WARN letters back in 2008 when they got rid of all the SAABS.
 
However you still have a contract.

Post 1113, you may or may not, but if they 1113 your contract to nullify it, I'd be shining up my parade shoes for the strike.
 
If that happens does that alleviate the whole mediation process and allow the Eagle guys to go straight into a strike? Sorry, not too versed on this BK stuff....
 
A letter just came out that included this statement...

Any Executive crewmembers based at DFW who are impacted by a reduction in flying will maintain all of their contractual displacement rights at American Eagle and Executive.
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So it seems the WARN letter was sent to notify of possible displacements coming soon? Do they typically do that?
 
Just my .02 (and I may be wrong). I think what they are saying is the ATR's are going to be parked, causing the displacements to all the ATR pilots who are senior enough to survive a furlough. And there will be furloughs as well on other equipment.
 
So what company they have lined up to do the flying? Who has 12 66-seat airplanes and 120 crews lying around to swoop in and start flying for AA in February? Don't forget you have to be able to make money doing DFW-Wichita Falls and DFW-Waco, too, like the ATR does.

On one hand, displacement isn't the end of the world. On the other, I'm cynical and I'm sure AMR has an angle here and displacement will only delay the inevitable for many crewmembers.
 
CFIscare said:
A letter just came out that included this statement...



So it seems the WARN letter was sent to notify of possible displacements coming soon? Do they typically do that?
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Just because they issued the notice does not mean that they will park airplanes. There is a good chance they will, and they give notice in case it does happen.

What Triggers Notice

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Mass Layoff: A covered employer must give notice if there is to be a mass layoff which does not result from a plant closing, but which will result in an employment loss at the employment site during any 30-day period for 500 or more employees, or for 50-499 employees if they make up at least 33% of the employer's active workforce. Again, this does not count employees who have worked less than 6 months in the last 12 months or employees who work an average of less than 20 hours a week for that employer. These latter groups, however, are entitled to notice (discussed later).

An employer also must give notice if the number of employment losses which occur during a 30-day period fails to meet the threshold requirements of a plant closing or mass layoff, but the number of employment losses for 2 or more groups of workers, each of which is less than the minimum number needed to trigger notice, reaches the threshold level, during any 90-day period, of either a plant closing or mass layoff. Job losses within any 90-day period will count together toward WARN threshold levels, unless the employer demonstrates that the employment losses during the 90-day period are the result of separate and distinct actions and causes.
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Only the DFW ATR based pilot got them because they are going to be the 1st ATRs park and the base more then likely will be closed if not cut in half.
 
Doug Taylor said:
However you still have a contract.

Post 1113, you may or may not, but if they 1113 your contract to nullify it, I'd be shining up my parade shoes for the strike.
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The courts have already ruled that a judge approving an 1113(c) filing does not give a labor group a right to strike. Only a release from the NMB through the normal RLA process allows a strike.
 
roundout said:
So what company they have lined up to do the flying? Who has 12 66-seat airplanes and 120 crews lying around to swoop in and start flying for AA in February? Don't forget you have to be able to make money doing DFW-Wichita Falls and DFW-Waco, too, like the ATR does.

On one hand, displacement isn't the end of the world. On the other, I'm cynical and I'm sure AMR has an angle here and displacement will only delay the inevitable for many crewmembers.
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Who says they need to have someone to replace the flying? Who says operating the ATR on the routes you mentioned is "making money"? Just because they operate the route doesn't mean it's profitable.
 
Our management told us the ATR was profitable during the whole divestiture process. Lowest CASM airplane in our system. Sips fuel, hauls 66.
 
Just curious how this might effect an somewhat junior F/O on the ATR in MIA? I don't work for eagle, just have a friend that does.
 
This sucks. I really hope that another airline doesn't gain anything from this. I'd feel like such an ass if I worked for a company that was given flying in a situation like this.

I really hope this is just posturing.
 
MOONWOLF said:
Just curious how this might effect an somewhat junior F/O on the ATR in MIA? I don't work for eagle, just have a friend that does.
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Unless and until they start handing out displacements and furloughs, nobody really knows for sure.
 
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