Voluntary Displacements

surreal1221

surreal1221

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Any of the other 121 companies have this language in their contract?

ASA does not, but it seems we have enough guys who are - after this latest furlough announcement - will be going from a mid-level seniority Captain position (and associated QOL) to a bottom level seniority Captain position (with the associated QOL).

It seems that there is a movement within these ranks to wish to displace themselves down to a senior FO position. Or, to have a higher paying FO displace himself/herself down to a lower paying FO position.

While that language is not specifically in our contract and our MEC and management are hashing out the details to set up such a system, there is language regarding upgrades, transitions, and moving down in pay between a higher paying and a lower paying aircraft seat. The condition is that you're seat locked for 24 months. Fine by me.

The reality is these displacements are coming. A fixed number of individuals will lose their seat to a lower paying one involuntarily without having a seat lock.

When things turn around, as I'm sure they will within 24 months, those who voluntarily displaced themselves to a lower paying seat will be stuck there. Then, when upgrades begin, those with lower seniority who did not voluntarily displace themselves will have higher relative seniority until all these 24 month guys become thawed.

Hopefully all of the above just made sense, if not - screw it. I can't think of a better way of explaining it.

Just wanted to get everyone's take on this and see if there is any company that currently has voluntary displacement language or willy-nilly voluntary displacements during a time of "no-forward-movement."

Much Love. Peace. God Willing.
 
It's relatively common language, with many different variations from carrier to carrier. Frankly, I'm surprised you guys don't already have it. It must be because you've never furloughed before, so it hasn't really come up.
 
We do not have it. I'm sort of "meh" on it as it could adversely effect more senior FOs who are there for QOL reasons.
 
I'm pretty sure that if we were not involuntarily displacing guys, some of these guys wouldn't be asking to get voluntarily displaced.

In a non-involuntary displacement scenario. If enough members of a pilot group want to move down a seat when there is no other training going on, why should the company grant their request? Take guys off-line only for the sole purpose of training them to a lesser seat? Then to train guys to fill in where they are leaving?

Or, does this VD language on come into play during involuntary displacements? Todd, Doug?
 
At CAL you need 2 years in your current seat to move to a lower paying "equipment and status" unless that is waived by the company, which may or may not be required in a displacement bid (it seems that it always is). There is no restriction on moving to a higher paying "equipment and status".

It seems weird that they would not allow someone that wants to move back to FO, while they displace someone. its still the same number of training cycles.
 
At Eagle, if the company runs a displacement bid then a senior pilot in the same status can proffer (request) to take the junior pilots displacement from him. You can then displace into any status that his senority can hold (since you took that junior pilot's displacement) . I don't think a seat lock is incured but I am not 100%.
 
Okay, so the option to voluntary displace ones' self is totally required on the company offering up an involuntary displacement bid first.

I would certainly hope that's the language our wise and illustrious MEC seeks.
 
If my category has displacements I have put in a VD back to ATL -88. Good chance I'll be back on reserve in NYC after all this is said and done with senior 75/76 domestic pilots displacing into the ER and a big reduction in lines.
 
BTW, company just removed the seat lock requirement. So, maybe getting a VD won't be so bad for some now. ;)
 
Doug Taylor said:
We've got VD...

I mean, voluntary displacement.
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Yup, Bill could have done a voluntary displacement, but he decided to hold on to 88A ATL if he could, which it turned out he couldn't so he ended up involuntarily displaced. The nice thing is now he's got weekends off, a great schedule as an 88B in CVG.... AND no seat lock (which a voluntary displacement gets).
 
Mesa has voluntary displacement, still get moving expenses I believe too. Your seatlock just continues, you don't get a new one. For example if you had 6 months left locked into ERJ CA, and voluntarily displaced into DHC8 CA then you'd have to stay on the dash for 6 months.
 
MQAAord said:
Yup, Bill could have done a voluntary displacement, but he decided to hold on to 88A ATL if he could, which it turned out he couldn't so he ended up involuntarily displaced. The nice thing is now he's got weekends off, a great schedule as an 88B in CVG.... AND no seat lock (which a voluntary displacement gets).
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What is the difference between 88A and B?
 
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