Violated!

Hey, I've got a question for you as well.
Everyone, so far in this thread seems to be of the opinion that, where the sectional says, "pilots are requested..." compliance is optional, not mandatory. Does the word "request" imply that compliance is voluntary? Do you agree?
Yeah, but there's a catch.

Pilots are being requested by the FAA to maintain the requested clearances.

It would be really nice if the charts showed what non-FAA restrictions might exist on certain activities. There is some of that with respect to certain federal restrictions but I'd be surprised if state restrictions are covered at all.
 
It would be really nice if the charts showed what non-FAA restrictions might exist on certain activities. There is some of that with respect to certain federal restrictions but I'd be surprised if state restrictions are covered at all.

That's why I posted the sectional scans in post #109. I find it interesting/puzzling that the charts used to post the California State regs on the chart, but changed that and now just the "requested" altitude.

Another thing is that the state prohibited flight below 1000' AGL, but the requested altitude is 2000' AGL.

I really have no answers, but just wanted to present the old and new for those who are interested.
 
That's why I posted the sectional scans in post #109. I find it interesting/puzzling that the charts used to post the California State regs on the chart, but changed that and now just the "requested" altitude.

Another thing is that the state prohibited flight below 1000' AGL, but the requested altitude is 2000' AGL.

I really have no answers, but just wanted to present the old and new for those who are interested.

The Arizona Division of Aeronautics used to publish a state map that was akin to a sectional...almost like a sectional for the state of AZ only. It had the same terrain relief, airports, etc; but also had more information on state legalities for certain fly areas in the same way as the older California sectional posted above had. My dad used to have one of these in his plane often, but I haven't seen one since probably the early-mid 1980s.
 
The Arizona Division of Aeronautics used to publish a state map that was akin to a sectional...almost like a sectional for the state of AZ only. It had the same terrain relief, airports, etc; but also had more information on state legalities for certain fly areas in the same way as the older California sectional posted above had. My dad used to have one of these in his plane often, but I haven't seen one since probably the early-mid 1980s.
I think most states still do the state charts. Colorado State Aeronautics does a chart and a great full-color airport directory.

Try Googling state aeronautical chart with the name of the state and you'll probably come up with what you want.
 
Hey, I've got a question for you as well.
Everyone, so far in this thread seems to be of the opinion that, where the sectional says, "pilots are requested..." compliance is optional, not mandatory. Does the word "request" imply that compliance is voluntary? Do you agree?
If you were to read between the lines it would might look like this...

While this is state regulation we recognize that the air is beyond our jurisdiction in most cases. We'd like you to comply with our reg but if you don't there isn't much we can do about that.

The laws in the country are founded on English Common Law. That is, unless something is expressly forbidden it is legal to engage in that thing.
 
I would reply to that question with another question. Why would you not comply with the request? I would not want to attract any attention toward myself and be forced to challenge the "requested is not mandatory" argument.
In the eyes of many people, every time you take off you are attracting unwanted attention.

So let's say you are making a series of photo flights. Or maybe you want to fly low and slow because, you know, in this country you can. Whatever your purpose, whether commercial or pleasure, one is not required to officially state their reason for engaging in such.

Ok, moving beyond the platitudes...there is the thing commonly known as common sense. Just because we can does not make it a good idea. Just because something is legal does not make it safe. However, I do not think the answer can be reduced to a simple, "I must comply with the expressed request."

To comply may be a good thing (for the reasons you stated) but that should be left up to each PIC. Which comes to the point as found in the FARs. The PIC has final authority. As that is found in codified Fed regulations, the state is subservient. There are plane watchers up and down the CA coast. They are mostly non-paid volunteers and a few of them have a real Barney Fife complex where they want to be the one to bust a pilot.

With that said, I generally conduct my flights in full compliance with the requests. However if I wish to dip down and circle a land feature or such thing, I will. Let them bring their case.

On a recent flight I made multiple low alt passes of Pt Arena light house. I violated no state or fed rule or reg although I'm pretty sure someone thinks I must had. Perhaps in that example is my answer to your provocative question: the state reg is open to interpretation. Maybe one day the state will seek a test case to provide precedence to the reg. What I mean is, there has not yet been a legal case to find the reg is capable of being upheld and is as of now only a request.

Still, referring back to my post a few days ago, I think the change from prohibited to a less restrictive notice as shown on the sectional chart is due to a legal case. I need to research that to see if that is the actuallity.
 
Yeah, but there's a catch.

Pilots are being requested by the FAA to maintain the requested clearances.

It would be really nice if the charts showed what non-FAA restrictions might exist on certain activities. There is some of that with respect to certain federal restrictions but I'd be surprised if state restrictions are covered at all.
How so? The charting office does not operate under the auspices of the FAA. I do not think it obtuse to ask for a cite to show it is the FAA making the request.
 
The Arizona Division of Aeronautics used to publish a state map that was akin to a sectional...almost like a sectional for the state of AZ only. It had the same terrain relief, airports, etc; but also had more information on state legalities for certain fly areas in the same way as the older California sectional posted above had. My dad used to have one of these in his plane often, but I haven't seen one since probably the early-mid 1980s.
I got a AZ aero chart as late as 2008. SDL FSDO provided when I had lunch with an inspector. The chart contained much useful information beyond what is contained on the sectional.

AT the last AOPA expo in Palm Springs I acquired several CA aero charts produced by the state. That was, what, 2007? CA Pilots Assoc produces a current state chart every year.
 
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