Vegas FBOs

ATN_Pilot said:
Never had a problem with it, either. That's why I always take such comments with a grain of salt and talk to actual owners. :)
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Old boss had a a few but his primary was a 04-05 I think and it was in the shop a lot. He did get it new and problems all through warranty. He got rid of it as it fell out of warranty. Like I did with my MB.
 
BarbieDreamPilot said:
Oh fun. Did you have one in mind? What's your typical mission?
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No, I'm still at least a couple years away from making a purchase. Going to enjoy the Mooney in the meantime.

I use it for a mix of fun, charity, and business. I own property in four states now, so business is taking up more of my flight time than it was even just a few months ago. It would be nice to make it to a few states away in half the time I currently am. Time is money. :)
 
ATN_Pilot said:
No, I'm still at least a couple years away from making a purchase. Going to enjoy the Mooney in the meantime.

I use it for a mix of fun, charity, and business. I own property in four states now, so business is taking up more of my flight time than it was even just a few months ago. It would be nice to make it to a few states away in half the time I currently am. Time is money. :)
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Gotcha. I give dual in cirruses from time to time - You should check out the SR22TN . If you're a jag-cadillac-limo kind of guy it's hard to beat it. Turbo'd, oxygen, FIKI, the nicest interior, garmin perspective, AC, CAPS... the list goes on.
Cessnaflyer said:
Tatas were a better quality than the Ford Taurus body cladding ones.
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The new jags are gorgeous.
 
BarbieDreamPilot said:
Gotcha. I give dual in cirruses from time to time - You should check out the SR22TN . If you're a jag-cadillac-limo kind of guy it's hard to beat it. Turbo'd, oxygen, FIKI, the nicest interior, garmin perspective, AC, CAPS... the list goes on. The new jags are gorgeous.
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I'll never buy another single. Call me a spoiled former airline pilot, but I just don't like not having that second engine. Had to go out over the gulf last month to get around some weather, and the sphincter didn't relax until I was feet dry. :)
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I'll never buy another single. Call me a spoiled former airline pilot, but I just don't like not having that second engine. Had to go out over the gulf last month to get around some weather, and the sphincter didn't relax until I was feet dry. :)
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When deployed within the parameters outlined, CAPS survivability rate is 100%. But if you can afford the 421 then go for it. The second engine is going to eat away some cabbage though.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Not a fan?
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Nice bird, but those 520 engines are tempermental, and can be costly maintenance-wise if not taken care of well, namely manging the CHTs and RPMs correctly. Still, the plane is generally costly to operate and maintain anyway. If you're dead set on a piston twin, a 414 wouldn't bad. Otherwise if you've got the cash anyway, a 425 would work well, if not a 441.
 
PositionAndHold said:
Henderson still really isn't that far. We go there every time we go to Vegas. They always seem to treat every one nice regardless if you're in a Lear or Mooney. It's county ran so it's not the typical "rape you for every thing" FBO. If you are going to LAS I second Atlantic. If you're going to get raped at least it's right in the middle of the strip. Almost on the corner of Tropicana and Las Vegas Blvd. Not sure how accessible Signature is.
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Another vote for HND. TBQHWY, I felt distinctly unwanted in a piston airplane at McCarran, from everyone.
 
MikeD said:
Nice bird, but those 520 engines are tempermental, and can be costly maintenance-wise if not taken care of well, namely manging the CHTs and RPMs correctly. Still, the plane is generally costly to operate and maintain anyway. If you're dead set on a piston twin, a 414 wouldn't bad. Otherwise if you've got the cash anyway, a 425 would work well, if not a 441.
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The 414s don't have the geared engines, so the noise in the cabin is more typical of a standard piston, unlike the 421 with the geared engines that are quieter than a lot of turboprops. Useful load is also a decent bit lower.

And if I was going to drop the coin on a turboprop, it wouldn't be a Cessna.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
The 414s don't have the geared engines, so the noise in the cabin is more typical of a standard piston, unlike the 421 with the geared engines that are quieter than a lot of turboprops. Useful load is also a decent bit lower.

And if I was going to drop the coin on a turboprop, it wouldn't be a Cessna.
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Last company I flew for used to have the 421s and they performed but like Mike said, they are temperamental. You have to keep positive power on the props or it can cause problems for the gears if the slipstream is pushing them IIRC.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
The 414s don't have the geared engines, so the noise in the cabin is more typical of a standard piston, unlike the 421 with the geared engines that are quieter than a lot of turboprops. Useful load is also a decent bit lower.

And if I was going to drop the coin on a turboprop, it wouldn't be a Cessna.
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That's why I was saying the 414, because they don't have the geared engines. And the associated costs with the 421s engines as well as everything else. 421s a nice bird, just be prepared for operating and Mx costs to be up there for normal ops, and extensive if not taken care of appropriately.

Want to have pistons and a cool factor and don't mind operating costs: a BE60 Duke.

If you want the 421 and just want to cargo haul with no amenities, a 404 would work. Nice bird too.

Insofar as Cessna turboprops, the 441 is a very nice plane all around. I'd take one over a King Air 200 series, or a Cheyenne. But, tastes vary in that regard, as the latter planes are good planes in their own right.
 
From what I've gathered, the geared engines aren't a problem as long as you treat them right. Since I'd be the only one flying it, I wouldn't have to worry about someone not babying it. And when you've got a family business and need to haul family around that is scared of "small airplanes," the really quiet cabin is a big selling point.

If I ever go turbine, I'd be a King Air guy. Loved the Hondo.
 
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