User Fees a good thing?

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Velocipede said:
That's pretty good, Amber. Accusing ME of being emotional. Just mention user fees and the FLAPs around here go crazy!
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Emotional defense right there.

You still haven't answered the question about how many times you have failed to realize that GA pays into the NAS through the fuel tax that airlines don't pay. Or are you going to cut posts apart to make yourself look good again?
 
Velocipede said:
That's pretty good, Amber. Accusing ME of being emotional. Just mention user fees and the FLAPs around here go crazy!
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There have been LOTS of emotional posts on this topic, from both sides.

I try hard to approach a subject from a outside-looking-in perspective. It's very easy to get caught up in how one feels about something, and I try (try as in try, but may not always be successful...) not to do that. Except when I mess up someone's post, cause that I really do feel bad about and try hard to fix...
 
Darren you are just as guilty;)

I should have said:

Or are you going to cut posts apart to try to make yourself look good again?
 
MQAAord said:
John, take out the maintenance costs. Also, the plane he bought cost nothing close to $150k. He's done the work himself. He is not rich, and does NOT spend the amounts you quoted to own his plane.
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You may be able to cut those costs down, but parts ain't free.

I'll continue to contend that owning an airplane is an incredibly expensive endeavor that most people in this country can't afford. No amount of, "Well XXX person owns an airplane!" is going to convince me otherwise. If you can afford to own an airplane, you're probably much better off financially than you think.
 
jtrain609 said:
You may be able to cut those costs down, but parts ain't free.

I'll continue to contend that owning an airplane is an incredibly expensive endeavor that most people in this country can't afford. No amount of, "Well XXX person owns an airplane!" is going to convince me otherwise. If you can afford to own an airplane, you're probably much better off financially than you think.
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Parts aren't free, and anything with FAA/PMA on it is going to cost. For people who don't/can't do their own mtx, it's going to cost considerably more to own a plane. When you're not paying for an A&P's time or hangar space, or having to buy a plane in perfect condition, it's going to cost a LOT LESS.

You can ignore my Dad's situation if you want, but that doesn't change the facts of it. :)
 
jtrain609 said:
You may be able to cut those costs down, but parts ain't free.

I'll continue to contend that owning an airplane is an incredibly expensive endeavor that most people in this country can't afford. No amount of, "Well XXX person owns an airplane!" is going to convince me otherwise. If you can afford to own an airplane, you're probably much better off financially than you think.
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I don't know Jtrain. I know plenty of average Joe's that own aircraft. The key is buying what you can afford. Maintenance is not as expensive as you would think being that the average owner may fly his/her aircraft less than 100hrs a year.

It would not be to far of a stretch to purchase a 150 and fly it a 100hrs a year for the cheap. It gets even cheaper if you share ownership with a few others.

It helps if you are friends with an IA who could observe you do maintenance on your aircraft and sign off the work. That makes annuals real cheap!

Even our very own Sprint is building his own!

Where there's a means there's a way.
 
People who are ONLY concerned with the side of issues that ONLY benefit commercial/professional aviation are just as ignorant and idiotic as those who ONLY concern themselves with what is beneficial to General Aviation.

It's one big eco-system out there, and we're all part of it.
 
Hacker15e said:
People who are ONLY concerned with the side of issues that ONLY benefit commercial/professional aviation are just as ignorant and idiotic as those who ONLY concern themselves with what is beneficial to General Aviation.

It's one big eco-system out there, and we're all part of it.
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That's probably the best thing to be said in this entire thread. Seriously.
 
Velocipede said:
WOW! Talk about entitlement issues. Here's a news flash for you...The NAS belongs to the PUBLIC. And if the general public thinks you should pay for the privilege to use it, then so be it. That's how it works in America and in all "little d" democracies.
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You are right about something Velo, I will give you that. The NAS does belong to the PUBLIC. Last time I checked, most things that were public were not places you had to pay to use. Imagine if you had to pay to use the public park or public restroom... Doesn't sound right does it?

And to me, it seems the majority of the public are AGAINST user fees, no?

Velocipede said:
Lets see...who has the most public interest at in the NAS at that point the 155 people on the 737 or ctab and his attitude?
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So, in your small little sheltered world, do you even know what a "ctab" is?
 
ctab5060X said:
You are right about something Velo, I will give you that. The NAS does belong to the PUBLIC. Last time I checked, most things that were public were not places you had to pay to use. Imagine if you had to pay to use the public park or public restroom... Doesn't sound right does it?
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You don't get out much, do you. Lots of "public" facilities have user fees.
 
ctab5060X said:
Statement without examples???
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OMG! Do I have to do your thinking for you? Investigate some of the National Parks, for instance.

How about toll roads?

Ever pay to park at the beach?

The problem with being an ostrich with your head in the sand is you not only miss a lot, but you don't present an appealing picture.
 
Velocipede said:
OMG! Do I have to do your thinking for you? Investigate some of the National Parks, for instance.

How about toll roads?

Ever pay to park at the beach?

The problem with being an ostrich with your head in the sand is you not only miss a lot, but you don't present an appealing picture.
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That is all you could come up with... and lousy ones at that.

Never asked you do do my thinking for me, ever occur to you that I might have other things going on?

I agree with darren on the "irony" part.

How about we just comprimise. You continue to want user fees, I will continue to not want user fees. All will be right with the world!
 
Velocipede said:
OMG! Do I have to do your thinking for you? Investigate some of the National Parks, for instance.

How about toll roads?

Ever pay to park at the beach?

The problem with being an ostrich with your head in the sand is you not only miss a lot, but you don't present an appealing picture.
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And with presentation like that, you don't present a very appealing picture either!


How about the local library? No fees there.

Non-toll roads? No direct fees there either. Gas taxes, sure, but remember GA does pay a gas tax.

Our local parks, with playgrounds & grills, all non-fee-for-use.
 
I guess ultimately, the user fee issue will be not be decided here on JC.

It'll be up to each and every one of us to voice our opinions to those in power who are going to be the actual decision-makers. Write your congressional representatives, get involved if it means that much to you!
 
I think before anyone continues to argue about this, why don't the pro-fee persons say what they think is a reasonable amount to charge and how often said amount should be charged. You can't fully argue for or against this subject without knowing that.
 
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