USAir sickout
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Never say never. I just said never twice by saying "never say never" Now 5 times...
(Sorry, I'm bored).
TrinidadGT20
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I'll only fly on a computer controlled plane if Microsoft is banned from having anything to do with the computers on board.
I hear Mac OS XII will be able to control a plane...
I hear Mac OS XII will be able to control a plane...
I'll toss my hat in on this quesiton. I'm a sys admin by day, and getting a degree in MIS. I just don't think that computers will get to the point where they can make all the decisions nessesary.
Computers can do well with repetative [sic] tasks, but not on the decision making out of whole cloth that pilots make can be called on for.
Of course if computers can make such decisions I'll be out of a job, and probably on display in a people-tarium.
Computers can do well with repetative [sic] tasks, but not on the decision making out of whole cloth that pilots make can be called on for.
Of course if computers can make such decisions I'll be out of a job, and probably on display in a people-tarium.
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Well before any computer will be responsible for flying an airliner, it will first have to get all of its ratings and certs. And if it doesn't go to a big 141 academy, its chances of getting a gig flying right seat in an RJ will be limited. And that's only after it puts in its dues giving instruction to other computers in 152s for a few hundred hours. That is, if the retired CIA preditor drone computers don't take all the jobs from the civilian computers.
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Well before any computer will be responsible for flying an airliner, it will first have to get all of its ratings and certs. And if it doesn't go to a big 141 academy, its chances of getting a gig flying right seat in an RJ will be limited. And that's only after it puts in its dues giving instruction to other computers in 152s for a few hundred hours. That is, if the retired CIA preditor drone computers don't take all the jobs from the civilian computers.
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What are you talking about? All it has to do is download its ratings and certificates.
Well before any computer will be responsible for flying an airliner, it will first have to get all of its ratings and certs. And if it doesn't go to a big 141 academy, its chances of getting a gig flying right seat in an RJ will be limited. And that's only after it puts in its dues giving instruction to other computers in 152s for a few hundred hours. That is, if the retired CIA preditor drone computers don't take all the jobs from the civilian computers.
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What are you talking about? All it has to do is download its ratings and certificates.
No doubt!
The "it's coming!" people make me smile because can you imagine the juicy cyberterror target the airlines will become with thousands of pilotless aircraft flooding the skies receiving vector information thru Wifi/GPRS /Satcom or rf transmissions?
pilotless aircraft still need to be sequenced, either by a human or some cyberterrorist-exposed artificial intelligence program.
Oh the possibilities!
The "it's coming!" people make me smile because can you imagine the juicy cyberterror target the airlines will become with thousands of pilotless aircraft flooding the skies receiving vector information thru Wifi/GPRS /Satcom or rf transmissions?
pilotless aircraft still need to be sequenced, either by a human or some cyberterrorist-exposed artificial intelligence program.
Oh the possibilities!
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A system crash could easily bring many aircraft down too. It just isn't worth the trouble.
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I saw a movie a long time ago that terrorists somehow hacked into the instruments and changed all the instrument readings. So the aircraft kept of crashing.
I know...... necroposting.
But, I thought is was interesting to look back at this thread considering the new report that the Department of Transportation just put out regarding the problems that US Airways and Comair had over the Christmas holidays.
I'll admit, I was pretty skeptical about the US Airways employees involvement in a "sick-out" type movement, but glancing over this report it appears that most of the blame goes onto the management for the baggage and flight attendant shortage.
Pleasant reading, everyone: Sec_of_Transportation_Report Number:SC-2005-051
(It's long, but lots of interesting information in it.)
But, I thought is was interesting to look back at this thread considering the new report that the Department of Transportation just put out regarding the problems that US Airways and Comair had over the Christmas holidays.
I'll admit, I was pretty skeptical about the US Airways employees involvement in a "sick-out" type movement, but glancing over this report it appears that most of the blame goes onto the management for the baggage and flight attendant shortage.
Pleasant reading, everyone: Sec_of_Transportation_Report Number:SC-2005-051
(It's long, but lots of interesting information in it.)
TrinidadGT20
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I know...... necroposting.
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It's better than opening a new topic without searching the forum
I read about this a few days ago and almost "necroposted" it here. I still have limited sympathies for USAir and I haven't flown them since this incident.
I know...... necroposting.
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It's better than opening a new topic without searching the forum
I read about this a few days ago and almost "necroposted" it here. I still have limited sympathies for USAir and I haven't flown them since this incident.
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It's just far easier and more expedient politically to blame the average workerbee rather than management. You know, some of those guys went to Harvard.
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And believe me its FAR easier to just show up to work too...you and I both know that they weren't ALL sick and that perhaps if the MAYBE 15% that weren't sick had shown up the problem wouldn't have made the news, the DOT wouldn't be wasting paper on reports and the Harvard people could go deal with a real problem...
All the data indicates to me is that no one really has ANY idea what goes on at an airline...not even the DOT. They can't even properly explain most of their data.
It's just far easier and more expedient politically to blame the average workerbee rather than management. You know, some of those guys went to Harvard.
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And believe me its FAR easier to just show up to work too...you and I both know that they weren't ALL sick and that perhaps if the MAYBE 15% that weren't sick had shown up the problem wouldn't have made the news, the DOT wouldn't be wasting paper on reports and the Harvard people could go deal with a real problem...
All the data indicates to me is that no one really has ANY idea what goes on at an airline...not even the DOT. They can't even properly explain most of their data.
Honestly, I haven't a clue.
If you hire the right people to do a job, one needn't worry about why people call in sick.
But considering that when one person in my wife's office gets sick, they all get sick. So I really have to reserve judgment of USAirway's supposed "sick out".
If you hire the right people to do a job, one needn't worry about why people call in sick.
But considering that when one person in my wife's office gets sick, they all get sick. So I really have to reserve judgment of USAirway's supposed "sick out".
I don't mind doing a little armchair quaterbacking on occasion.....
From taking a glance through the report, I'd wager a guess that this did not start out as a sick-out, but when things started going down the crapper there were more than a few that bailed out (called in *sick*) rather than deal with a fiasco not of their own creating.
I'll go back to one of my original comments when this happened, "I don't understand - what is this "sick-out" supposed to accomplish? ". When I said that I was trying to figure out what they hoped to gain by shutting the system down on an already ailing airline. Now, in hindsight, I don't think that there was any organized plan, just poor overall planning (read *management*) that blew up in everybody's face.
From taking a glance through the report, I'd wager a guess that this did not start out as a sick-out, but when things started going down the crapper there were more than a few that bailed out (called in *sick*) rather than deal with a fiasco not of their own creating.
I'll go back to one of my original comments when this happened, "I don't understand - what is this "sick-out" supposed to accomplish? ". When I said that I was trying to figure out what they hoped to gain by shutting the system down on an already ailing airline. Now, in hindsight, I don't think that there was any organized plan, just poor overall planning (read *management*) that blew up in everybody's face.
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But considering that when one person in my wife's office gets sick, they all get sick. So I really have to reserve judgment of USAirway's supposed "sick out".
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Honestly, though. Can you really compare an airport ramp environment to an office environment? People in offices work in much closer quarters and inside. On the ramp, there are some people that have been working there for 5 years that have never even met, especially in the larger stations. Unless it was the bubonic plague, ebola or some other madly contagious disease, I doubt if 15% of the work force was sick. And if it was that contagious, I doubt if they would have been back to work the next day.
But considering that when one person in my wife's office gets sick, they all get sick. So I really have to reserve judgment of USAirway's supposed "sick out".
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Honestly, though. Can you really compare an airport ramp environment to an office environment? People in offices work in much closer quarters and inside. On the ramp, there are some people that have been working there for 5 years that have never even met, especially in the larger stations. Unless it was the bubonic plague, ebola or some other madly contagious disease, I doubt if 15% of the work force was sick. And if it was that contagious, I doubt if they would have been back to work the next day.