US Airways pilots' seniority disputes may muddle merger

Maximillian_Jenius said:
LA turns must = bad/headache?
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Nah, I got in the business to fly big jets far places.

Getting up at o'dark thirty to commute 5-1/2 hour to JFK to turn around and fly to the west coast, then a 9 hour layover, to fly back to JFK, sit around 5 hours and take a 5-hour commute back to PHX isn't what I consider an "optimum schedule" at this point in my career.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
It still shouldn't be complicated, though. Ratio by category and status. A senior Alaska 737 captain should end up being merged into the same spot on the list as senior 737 captains at Delta. He's still a captain, still holding the same bidding power for schedules and vacations, and he doesn't get a windfall of upgrading to widebody captain. This stuff is only complicated because pilots want to screw each other over. Reference "super premium widebody flying."
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You mean the CRJ-900 at ASA?

That's right, I'm fully expecting there to be fences for RJ's.
 
WacoFan said:
Follow up: In mergers where there appears, at least superficially, to be similarity - do the airlines run a DOH and a relative seniority integration and compare? For dissimilar - USAir/AWA I would think that's an enormous waste of time - but NWA/Delta maybe not so much.
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Various lists are proposed.

The DOH list for NW/DL was actually quite dissimilar. NW had barely hired anyone since 2001, so DOH would have been a major penalty for myself and many Deltoids, while straight category/class heavily penalized the older NW people. The end result was a weighted category class which is now pretty much the standard.
 
PositionAndHold said:
Fixed it. :)
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Close.
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jtrain609 said:
You mean the CRJ-900 at ASA?

That's right, I'm fully expecting there to be fences for RJ's.
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It's historically already there thanks to the Pinnacle SLI. I could have been a line holder in MEM on the 900 with my seniority, but I couldn't bid it due to fences. I was okay with that. What I wasn't okay with was the fact anyone and their brother could bid the -200 because the staffing model they used to come up with the numbers that triggered the fences wasn't anything like what legacy Pinnacle had ever used. Hence, there was no way (short of parking airframes) that people WOULDN'T be able to jump the fence from the 900 or the Q400 to the 200. Mesaba and Colgan had a decent staffing model on their planes. Pinnacle ran so short staffed we would have never hit the trigger to bring a fence UP on the -200 based on the numbers. Honestly, I think the hatred between the groups wouldn't have been so bad if all airframes had just been fenced off. Instead, you've got FOs that were just about to upgrade on the -200 stuck because everyone and their brother on the 900 or the Q400 could jump over for better QoL. Meanwhile, the CA commuting from IAH to MEM or EWR to DTW at Pinnacle had to keep commuting because the Q was fenced.
 
kellwolf said:
It's historically already there thanks to the Pinnacle SLI. I could have been a line holder in MEM on the 900 with my seniority, but I couldn't bid it due to fences. I was okay with that. What I wasn't okay with was the fact anyone and their brother could bid the -200 because the staffing model they used to come up with the numbers that triggered the fences wasn't anything like what legacy Pinnacle had ever used. Hence, there was no way (short of parking airframes) that people WOULDN'T be able to jump the fence from the 900 or the Q400 to the 200. Mesaba and Colgan had a decent staffing model on their planes. Pinnacle ran so short staffed we would have never hit the trigger to bring a fence UP on the -200 based on the numbers. Honestly, I think the hatred between the groups wouldn't have been so bad if all airframes had just been fenced off. Instead, you've got FOs that were just about to upgrade on the -200 stuck because everyone and their brother on the 900 or the Q400 could jump over for better QoL. Meanwhile, the CA commuting from IAH to MEM or EWR to DTW at Pinnacle had to keep commuting because the Q was fenced.
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You can blame YOUR merger committee for doing a great job in incompetence.

Also you should 'let it go'.
 
Seggy said:
How what went down?

You should let it go.
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Eh, those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. I've let it go, I'm just relating for future mergers that might happen down the road. If they had based the -200 fences off of what the Pinnacle staffing model actually HAD been rather than what might be, things would have been a bit different. Instead, the fences were based on how the -200 should have been staffed rather than how Pinnacle had been staffing it for years. It's one of those "mergers and integrations are never simple" things.
 
Seggy said:
How what went down?

You should let it go.
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You know what's interesting about the whole thing.

According to ST on the XJ merger committee, who is friends with a bunch of my other XJ friends, he told me two facts from his time on the committee.

1) he looked me in the eye and told me his committee fornicated us (9E) because they could
2) he said if the 9E committee had the same proposal as the XJ one (DOH), we would have been a lot closer to that result, if not completely it.
 
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