US/AA Reach Settlement with DOJ

ERfly said:
No idea, but I heard a rumor that one of the Star Alliance planes was going to become a TWA Heritage plane.


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Heard the same thing, it's gonna be nice seeing what gets painted and when. I can't wait to see the 330 in the american colors.
 
CamYZ125 said:
From the actual filing, sounds like they are giving up all of AA's slots in DCA, plus 2 US slots. So they are actually decreasing from the current US levels. Still seems like BS to me... none of the other airlines had to give up this much for their mergers.

Also, why give up LGA slots? Delta is the dominant carrier there... maybe they ought to give up some slots too.
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We're not involved in the merger, so why does Delta need to give up slots? Our current amount of slots were approved by both the DOJ and FAA.
 
CamYZ125 said:
Also, why give up LGA slots? Delta is the dominant carrier there... maybe they ought to give up some slots too.
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Hell no, Jones! :) USAir and American are the ones merging. Ain't nobody got time for that!

You should give up, umm, cheese for two months because your neighbor has lactose intolerance! :)
 
Derg said:
Hell no, Jones! :) USAir and American are the ones merging. Ain't nobody got time for that!

You should give up, umm, cheese for two months because your neighbor has lactose intolerance! :)
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Haha. Touche'. But still, two merging airlines need to give up slots because they'd have too much presence in a given market, when Delta is sitting over here with far more than the combined carrier would have.

I'm not seriously suggesting that Delta really give anything up, just saying that I think some of the logic here is flawed... but I think we all already knew that.
 
CamYZ125 said:
Haha. Touche'. But still, two merging airlines need to give up slots because they'd have too much presence in a given market, when Delta is sitting over here with far more than the combined carrier would have.

I'm not seriously suggesting that Delta really give anything up, just saying that I think some of the logic here is flawed... but I think we all already knew that.
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SWA needed more slots in DCA and LGA, so they sent some pizzas and hookers over to DOJ and next thing you know, slots for sale to the LCC that can pay the most.

(Do I really need to add this: :sarcasm:)
 
Guys in my pad are saying that they had previously agreed to DOH for everyone after the merger announcement which is good news. In fact there was an eagle guy in my new hire class who took the airways job just to skip ahead of the flow. Looks like it paid out big time for him.
 
CamYZ125 said:
Haha. Touche'. But still, two merging airlines need to give up slots because they'd have too much presence in a given market, when Delta is sitting over here with far more than the combined carrier would have.

I'm not seriously suggesting that Delta really give anything up, just saying that I think some of the logic here is flawed... but I think we all already knew that.
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Every time Delta sneezed, it had to give up slots or gates to JetBlue and/or Southwest even when they were kicking Delta's ass in the market. It's the whole "Well this is ultimately going to raise prices on my voters so let me make it look like I did something to keep fares to Orlando low" when, in fact, it just means everyone is going to raise their prices.
 
Derg said:
Every time Delta sneezed, it had to give up slots or gates to JetBlue and/or Southwest even when they were kicking Delta's ass in the market. It's the whole "Well this is ultimately going to raise prices on my voters so let me make it look like I did something to keep fares to Orlando low" when, in fact, it just means everyone is going to raise their prices.
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If you believe Delta checkairmen rumors, RA said Delta will snatch up a ton of DCA slots. Maybe it'll all work out. Still waiting for you guys to buy Alaskan, and if this weekend is any indication, the gate agents and pilots can't wait.
 
Derg said:
Delta can't wait or Alaska can't wait? I can wait. Mergers blow and the glee at which some of my American (and Eagle) pals are displaying is strange.

"OMG! My Dominoes delivery is almost here! WOO!"

Later:
"Eww, you know, I probably should have just made a sandwich."
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The Alaska pilots and gate agents I said hi to were very open to a merger with Delta. Obviously it's anecdotal but I thought it was interesting.

I didn't realize there was a mini war going on for the west coast while the code share was going on. No such thing as a partnership in business I suppose.
 
Piedmont? Could either be a plus or a minus...That's how much ambiguity we have going on here...Know one knows, or no one is saying and the corporate office is very sparing with any information beyond the public domain stuff...I have been down the "mushroom" road before with a previous company...Hope it all works out to the good for the majority of employees, not just the pilots. We tend to focus our narrow beam on the pilots, but other employees are also likely to have their lives change by this merger and not always in a positive direction.
 
Seggy said:
What does this do to the 'flow'? @Firebird2XC?
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Not much. The language remains the same- successorship was written into the language of all the post Letter 3 guys.

The primary issue is how seniority list integration plays out over the next several years.

As long as AA continues to hire- now or in its future incarnation, Eagle pilots will flow, with seniority reflecting date of hire. They'd be considered AA pilots with respective seniority when the USAir and AA lists integrate.
 
Firebird2XC said:
Not much. The language remains the same- successorship was written into the language of all the post Letter 3 guys.

The primary issue is how seniority list integration plays out over the next several years.

As long as AA continues to hire- now or in its future incarnation, Eagle pilots will flow, with seniority reflecting date of hire. They'd be considered AA pilots with respective seniority when the USAir and AA lists integrate.
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They get seniority numbers when they flow right?
 
BobDDuck said:
The 800 something guys that have numbers have language that says "American or it's successor". I don't know about the ones that come after them. The 4 monthly slots for PSA included the "or it's successor" language also.
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This isn't totally accurate. The numbered guys are already all gone, except for maybe a few. The '824' are non-numbered slots based upon a grievance remedy due to prior misdeeds of AA in regards to AA's handling of previous pilots flowing.

The remainder of the pilots junior to the '824' are 'protected pilots', which are awarded flow in seniority order after the last 824 slot is awarded. To clarify- the 824 aren't awarded numbers- just slots to be granted a class date at a future time, with seniority numbers awarded on day 1 of ground school.


As for USAir pilots being senior to Eagle pilots, that's already done. Only pilots that have already flowed to AA or that were awarded numbers via Letter 3 will be directly affected- and that will mean they'll get integrated according to their APA/USAPA integration schedule.

.... anybody else, be they Eagle pilot, or whoever from elsewhere off the street, will be brought on as a day 1 new hire.
 
L-16B said:
Are there any furloughed AA or TWA guys at eagle? That might change it but they should be in front of every eagle guy who has never been at AA.
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I don't think we have any flowbacks left, but if we did, they'd get recalled by seniority right before any non-numbered pilot left Eagle- unless the furloughed AA/TWA guys elected to bypass.
 
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